Any comment on this faded insert ? Help needed ! Thanks !~

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Any comment on this faded insert ? Help needed ! Thanks !~

Joined: September 16th, 2014, 6:31 pm

October 30th, 2014, 9:56 pm #1

Hi all,

would like to know is this insert genuine? How much should it worths ?

Help very welcome!

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

Justin



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Joined: January 31st, 2012, 10:52 pm

October 31st, 2014, 1:11 am #2

Looks nice - can it clean up a little? Is there a film on it - would like to see photo in natural light.

Nice fatter MK3 insert - price: certainly north of $500
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Joined: September 18th, 2012, 9:57 pm

October 31st, 2014, 1:32 am #3

Hi all,

would like to know is this insert genuine? How much should it worths ?

Help very welcome!

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

Justin



Very nice, worth over 1000$ I'd say.
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Joined: January 31st, 2012, 10:52 pm

October 31st, 2014, 5:06 pm #4

Hi Adam,

I always have trouble on the very, very fat MK3 inserts whether or not they may be in fact MK1 inserts - would you feel that the first 2 on this list are in fact just really fat MK3 inserts?

Thanks

John

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Joined: September 18th, 2012, 9:57 pm

November 1st, 2014, 1:19 am #5

Hi John,
The first two on the left are both mk1's.. You have it all labelled correctly. When I'm not sure (because the font of the 40's are extremely similar with mk1's and 3's) I look at the 50, it's always distinct enough to tell the diff.
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Joined: January 31st, 2012, 10:52 pm

November 1st, 2014, 1:30 am #6

Here is the 50s - thank you

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Joined: January 11th, 2014, 4:44 am

November 2nd, 2014, 12:58 am #7

Can someone tell us the date ranges that are appropriate/usual for each Mk?
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Joined: January 11th, 2014, 4:44 am

November 5th, 2014, 6:08 pm #8

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Joined: September 18th, 2012, 9:57 pm

November 5th, 2014, 7:21 pm #9

The thing is it's all a bit muddled, what we call mk2 "long 5" was the first to be introduced after the long 5 inserts with the red triangles ended. So technically they would be the first, after those, the ones we call mk1 "kissing 40" were introduced (early to mid 60's). Mk3's came later and had a few subtypes. There are examples of each that appear thicker and have less harsh "rounder" features due to pad wear. The exact timeline for each is confusing and not really important in my opinion, if you have an early 60's sub, any mk1 or mk2 will do and is appropriate.

Glenn M wrote this a little while ago, (I can only disagree with the part about the "kissing 40 mk1" comment at the end, there def was an mk1 kissing 40 in the early to mid 60's that is distinguishable and not a result of worn mk3 pads.. So I would put mk1 kissing 40 inserts between the mk2 long 5 and the mk3's of which we see three variations I believe.)

Hi John-

Nice inserts

I started one of the threads above with the same question. My take away from that thread after input from the more knowledgeable Italian collectors is the following in terms of chronology for inserts from crown guarded plastic subs :

(not calling out Mk numbers, because there seems to be confusion) in chronological order of fonts :

1- 1959 - "square font" red triangle insert. only on 5512 square guards or eagle beak subs and tudor 7928 of the same era
2- long 5 insert - earliest font without the red triangle
3- "skinny 4" insert - late 62 and 1963 only
4- More long 5 insert variations through mid 1960s
5- what I called "hooked 5" or serifed font insert ( similar fonts found on mil-sub inserts)
6- fat font inserts without the serifs without" a long 5"
7- "flat four" / service inserts

My understanding is that the "kissing 4" or super fat font inserts can be in any font, that they are just a result of printing done with worn printing pads, causing the fonts to bleed out. I have seen super fat font "kissing 4" inserts with both a serif font and a long 5 after looking closer.

Let's see what the experts say..

Im too lazy to upload photos right now.. lets see where the thread goes and I can add some later


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Joined: June 29th, 2007, 7:56 am

November 5th, 2014, 8:55 pm #10

Thanks
… in any old official pic or in any old rolex catalog You won't find anything except long5s from early 5512 models till almost all of the 60s, so I've never understood why long5 is called mk2 …

About mk1 inserts consider that features are hardly visible and clear when numbers have grown and blown due to time and use, so I wonder if You can imagine what an mk3 insert could looks like if grown and blown …



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