adamtl
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November 5th, 2014, 11:41 pm #11

Fabrizio, thanks for the response, it made me spend the afternoon comparing inserts to try to get to the bottom of this. I have a long 5 insert that was made with a worn pad, when I compare it to a normal long 5 it's obvious to see that all the edges have become rounded and less sharp slightly larger too. The same can be seen when comparing an mk3 insert to an mk1, it wasn't obvious right away but the more I look the more I think that Glenn, Marcello and others may have been right. It's tough to change the name or nickname for something in our community, we have been calling them by their mk names for years. It's a little strange though if an mk1 is really just an mk3 who's pad was worn.
Mk2 and mk2 worn pad version

Mk3 and 1


The long 5 should have been called mk1 and its worn pad brother, "mk1 kissing 40"
And the current mk3 should have been called mk2 and its worn pad brother, "mk2 kissing 40"
I think that would have been more appropriate considering
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southtexas111
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November 6th, 2014, 4:18 am #12

Very helpful dialogue
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Joined: September 16th, 2014, 6:31 pm

November 6th, 2014, 3:12 pm #13

Hi all,

would like to know is this insert genuine? How much should it worths ?

Help very welcome!

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

Justin



Thanks for everybody's help, appreciate that ! =)
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Robbe1675
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November 6th, 2014, 3:32 pm #14

Hi all,

would like to know is this insert genuine? How much should it worths ?

Help very welcome!

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

Justin



worth a lot of money I think.

Sorry, but the names and descriptions are getting a bit out of control lately
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Joined: March 4th, 2015, 7:22 pm

March 5th, 2015, 2:44 pm #15

… in any old official pic or in any old rolex catalog You won't find anything except long5s from early 5512 models till almost all of the 60s, so I've never understood why long5 is called mk2 …

About mk1 inserts consider that features are hardly visible and clear when numbers have grown and blown due to time and use, so I wonder if You can imagine what an mk3 insert could looks like if grown and blown …



Edit for typo
Does this explain why my '61 5512 sub has a "long 5" and a "kissing 4", a worn printing pad?
The inside of the four, (top of the triangle if you will) seems very sharp/pointed (relatively speaking), as do all the numbers on my insert.
It would seem if it was a worn pad, the point of the triangle inside the four would be much less defined?
Also that the long 5 would not be as defined with a worn pad, similar to the example in one of the pics (the long five no longer looking like a long 5)?
Having said this, I am only looking at them with a 30x loupe.
A curiosity; some numbers could be smudged due to worn pad and others seemingly very crisp?
Are each number "printed" on the inserts separately? (I would assume not, but don't want to assume).
thanks
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March 5th, 2015, 5:42 pm #16

worth a lot of money I think.

Sorry, but the names and descriptions are getting a bit out of control lately
...between the 4 and 0, the one I had went the same colour and I was told it was a fat mark 3 but to me that makes no sense as I took it from a 1966 watch that had not been serviced, I've had watches dated 69 with kissing 40's and they get called mark 1's and early 60's watches with long 5's I would say mark 2's are mark 1's!!
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