A 1570 date wheel quandary

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A 1570 date wheel quandary

Joined: January 11th, 2014, 4:44 am

April 4th, 2018, 5:15 pm #1

I have 2 date wheels and would like the group’s opinion.

#1- silver in color but without brush effect; rounded 3s; open 6s and 9s; no concentric black circle around teeth
#2- for comparison, a silver one I know to be good.

Is #1 later?  Earlier?  Fake?

Thanks, I’m curious to hear your opinions.



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Joined: January 1st, 2013, 10:51 pm

April 6th, 2018, 2:59 am #2

...and for 1575/1575GMT (bridge: "1570").

Estimations:
#1 is from about 1980 onwards, so for the latest 1575/1575GMT (and probably the first after-run service version - there's at least one later, very similar)
#2 is the brushed version from about 1973 to 1980

Greetings,
Xeramic

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Joined: February 11th, 2008, 1:54 am

April 6th, 2018, 4:01 am #3

#1 insert is not from the 1980s. While the fonts are similar, #1 is from a non quick-set model.

On the quick-set 1980s date wheels, the cogs had a slight slope on one side on the rounded area at the tops of the individual cogs and was not a perfect curved "hump" like on the non quick-set date wheels.
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Joined: January 1st, 2013, 10:51 pm

April 6th, 2018, 11:39 am #4


Thanks for your input - but can't follow you? Because non-quick-set and quick-set cal. 1525, 1535, 1565, 1565GMT, 1575, 1575GMT use the same date wheel, the reference is always 7961:

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The asymmetric teeth you describe I know from the cal. 3035 (date wheel reference 5099):

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Perhaps a confusion? Or do I miss something? On the other hand, cal. 3085 (date wheel reference 5235) shows symmetric teeth too and looks like the printing of #1, and I think the size is also similar or even identical (about 22 mm):

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Here's a 15xx service date wheel or comparing:

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The curved diagonal line of the 7 of Robby's #1 looks in fact rather like on this 3085 version than on the 15xx service wheel with it's straight diagonal line. But there might exist several later versions for both calibers, thus hard to judge. Because Robby stated 1570 I've been led to the 15xx family.

Best,
Xeramic
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April 6th, 2018, 12:23 pm #5

Xeramic’s 1570 service example than the cal 3085 example he used in regards to teeth shape/position. I’ve learned over time to look at teeth shape/position as a good guide. The teeth are positioned higher (relative to the numbers next to them) on both of my examples, and the teeth on both my examples are also shaped the same.

Obviously the fonts on mine differ. When did rounded 3s with open 6 and 9 start? Also, did service ones not have the black concentric ring around the wheel next to the teeth?

Thanks again to responders.
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Joined: January 1st, 2013, 10:51 pm

April 6th, 2018, 10:54 pm #6

...the 15xx sample shown was not for 1570 (1570 is not equipped with a date complication) but for 1525 and fits further 15xx references as mentioned.

The question regarding the appearance of round 3 and open 6/9 - including 26, important detail - has been answered, it's your #1, so I think around 1980 (perhaps a bit later because there's another version I assume as a short-life transitional around late 70s/early 80s, with all 6/9 open but still flat 3).

About the ring, can't tell for sure. I've only seen one piece round 3 all 6/9 open with this, so I assume most come without - but I wouldn't take it as a service part indication (as you probably think about).

Just to mention, these are observations and assumptions only, it's a difficult topic - either a date wheel is mounted and therefore not visible in detail, or it's not mounted and you can't be sure about it's origin.

Best,
Xeramic
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Joined: May 18th, 2011, 10:20 pm

April 7th, 2018, 8:48 am #7

I have 2 date wheels and would like the group’s opinion.

#1- silver in color but without brush effect; rounded 3s; open 6s and 9s; no concentric black circle around teeth
#2- for comparison, a silver one I know to be good.

Is #1 later? Earlier? Fake?

Thanks, I’m curious to hear your opinions.

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Just focus on flat numbers versus round ones and closed numbers versus open ones and you will get it right regarding era of production.
Rolex had many suppliers and some discs from the same era came brushed, mat, shiny or not with thick numbers or thin ones, position marks or blind,
inner circles or not...you name it.
Just have a look at pic 1 all for 1575 but also for 1565 and 1570. Same era but all different when looking closely.
I keep some boxes of date discs of every kinds (pic2) because some collectors have precise needs even though I really think it is silly.
For DD's (pic 3) it was even crazier as the Pantone range of colors was simple madness imo (look at the choice of colors for WG/PLAT/YG).

Sorry for the poor pics as usual. Edit typos









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April 7th, 2018, 5:57 pm #8

Thanks to everyone for participating and sharing info/pics.
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