5513 with 200m/660ft or 660ft/200m???

explorer1957
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November 20th, 2007, 11:08 am #1

Hi All,

this is my first post and I trying to "understand" the early 5513 dial writing and specially the correlation (?) between:
- serial number (year)
- Swiss or Swiss-T<25
- 200m/660ft (or 660ft/200m)....

I have heard a lot of different voices around this topic and i was just wondering if you know that or you can recommend a book or article.

thanks for your answers
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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

November 20th, 2007, 4:19 pm #2

Below is a (very) rough timeline of 5513 dial changes:

1) Ca. late 1961-1963: gilt/gloss dial w/minute track, meters-first depth rating and signed "SWISS"-only below 6.
2) Ca. 1963-1967: gilt/gloss dial w/o minute track, meters-first depth and signed "SWISS - T<25" below 6 .
3) Ca. 1966-1970: matte/white writing dial, meters-first, "SWISS - T<25"
4) Ca. 1970-1976: matte/white dial, feet-first depth rating, "SWISS - T<25"
5) Ca. 1976-1985: matte/white dial, SUBMARINER on top of feet-first depth, "SWISS - T<25"
6) Ca. 1985-1988 (and until late 1990s as a replacement 5513 dial): gloss/white gold surround dial, SUBMARINER on top of feet-first depth, "SWISS - T<25"
7) Ca. 1998 to present as replacement dial: gloss/WG dial, SUB on top of feet-first depth, "SWISS" or "SWISS MADE" below 6, Luminova luminous

There are examples of most of these different 5513 variations in the Dial Archive and I find pictures will always help make these definitions clearer.
Best,
T.

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explorer1957
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November 20th, 2007, 4:52 pm #3

Thanks Tom...

so a 1.7M, 5513, gloss dial, Swiss and feet first is not possible?
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November 20th, 2007, 5:45 pm #4

nt

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Chris
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November 20th, 2007, 5:50 pm #5

Thanks Tom...

so a 1.7M, 5513, gloss dial, Swiss and feet first is not possible?
A lot of these older 5513s have been to the service center and had their
dials replaced, as well as the hands.

Happy Hunting.
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Luc
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November 20th, 2007, 6:48 pm #6

Hi All,

this is my first post and I trying to "understand" the early 5513 dial writing and specially the correlation (?) between:
- serial number (year)
- Swiss or Swiss-T<25
- 200m/660ft (or 660ft/200m)....

I have heard a lot of different voices around this topic and i was just wondering if you know that or you can recommend a book or article.

thanks for your answers
and when this idal is explorer dial (with a confirmation of authenticity from Rolex Berxley signed by Mr Hudson)?
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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

November 20th, 2007, 7:06 pm #7

...I have seen a gilt Explorer-dial Sub with RSC letter of authenticity but the dial was not authentic.
Best,
T.

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explorer1957
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November 20th, 2007, 7:17 pm #8

.... so how to be more sure?
Mr Hudson attached a long history with details (watch sold in France in 1966)....
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Joined: May 7th, 2006, 5:02 pm

November 20th, 2007, 8:48 pm #9

No such animal but a very famous (but not very good) fake sold and defended previously by a well-known French dealer.
Once again, if this is the dial in question, this is a prime example of why we say Rolex does NOT authenticate dials. (JM are you listening?)
How bout a pic?
Best,
T.

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Joined: January 17th, 2006, 5:05 pm

November 20th, 2007, 11:32 pm #10

when the dial goes through Rolex as they did in the past and is documented on the service invoice. Unscrupulous people will then take the good dial out and fit a bad one, thus having "documentation".
Happens alot...
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