Ship v. Boat

Ship v. Boat

Joined: March 19th, 2006, 12:13 am

May 1st, 2008, 11:17 am #1

All right. I can't take it anymore.

I've watched a couple episodes of the PBS series "Carrier", about life aboard the USS Nimitz. I keep hearing these sailors on her refer to her as a "boat" and it drives me nuts.

Isn't the Nimitz considered a "ship"? Our beloved vessel is an LST (Landing SHIP Tank). It's not an LBT (Landing BOAT tank). Maybe it's not an LBT because someone might confuse the letters and refer to it as a BLT - they had enough other nicknames for the LST's.

So is it fair to use the word "boat" in place of "ship" but you don't use "ship" in place of "boat"?

My mom used to love to fish. She had a bass boat. You never hear bass boats called bass ships. Our LCVP's aren't called ships, they're called boats.

Fred says when he was in the Navy you never refered to a ship as a boat.

So to all you sailors out there, how were you taught to reference vessels of different types?

Flt-Tech, did you call the bird farm you were on a boat or a ship?

And if they are interchangable, I will refuse to refer to our Chief Bos'n Mate as "Ships" - he'll always be "Boats" in my mind.

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Joined: March 16th, 2006, 2:08 am

May 1st, 2008, 11:49 am #2

On aircraft carriers, airdales especially, refer to the ship as "the boat". They know the difference between a ship and a boat but use the term because they can. Pilots will say they are returning to the "boat" but you can rest assured they know they are returning to the ship. The term is almost a term of endearment. (that may be a little mushy for sailors.)

The difference between a ship and a boat: a boat is any vessel that can be lifted aboard a ship.
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Joined: November 21st, 2004, 9:28 pm

May 1st, 2008, 1:01 pm #3

All right. I can't take it anymore.

I've watched a couple episodes of the PBS series "Carrier", about life aboard the USS Nimitz. I keep hearing these sailors on her refer to her as a "boat" and it drives me nuts.

Isn't the Nimitz considered a "ship"? Our beloved vessel is an LST (Landing SHIP Tank). It's not an LBT (Landing BOAT tank). Maybe it's not an LBT because someone might confuse the letters and refer to it as a BLT - they had enough other nicknames for the LST's.

So is it fair to use the word "boat" in place of "ship" but you don't use "ship" in place of "boat"?

My mom used to love to fish. She had a bass boat. You never hear bass boats called bass ships. Our LCVP's aren't called ships, they're called boats.

Fred says when he was in the Navy you never refered to a ship as a boat.

So to all you sailors out there, how were you taught to reference vessels of different types?

Flt-Tech, did you call the bird farm you were on a boat or a ship?

And if they are interchangable, I will refuse to refer to our Chief Bos'n Mate as "Ships" - he'll always be "Boats" in my mind.
All submarines are called Boats, never Ships. Even thought they are really ships. Navy tradition.
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Joined: November 20th, 2004, 5:02 pm

May 1st, 2008, 3:24 pm #4

On aircraft carriers, airdales especially, refer to the ship as "the boat". They know the difference between a ship and a boat but use the term because they can. Pilots will say they are returning to the "boat" but you can rest assured they know they are returning to the ship. The term is almost a term of endearment. (that may be a little mushy for sailors.)

The difference between a ship and a boat: a boat is any vessel that can be lifted aboard a ship.
You're partially right, except that LSTs carried LCTs and they are called ships. Go figger!!
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Joined: September 20th, 2006, 1:23 pm

May 1st, 2008, 6:15 pm #5

All right. I can't take it anymore.

I've watched a couple episodes of the PBS series "Carrier", about life aboard the USS Nimitz. I keep hearing these sailors on her refer to her as a "boat" and it drives me nuts.

Isn't the Nimitz considered a "ship"? Our beloved vessel is an LST (Landing SHIP Tank). It's not an LBT (Landing BOAT tank). Maybe it's not an LBT because someone might confuse the letters and refer to it as a BLT - they had enough other nicknames for the LST's.

So is it fair to use the word "boat" in place of "ship" but you don't use "ship" in place of "boat"?

My mom used to love to fish. She had a bass boat. You never hear bass boats called bass ships. Our LCVP's aren't called ships, they're called boats.

Fred says when he was in the Navy you never refered to a ship as a boat.

So to all you sailors out there, how were you taught to reference vessels of different types?

Flt-Tech, did you call the bird farm you were on a boat or a ship?

And if they are interchangable, I will refuse to refer to our Chief Bos'n Mate as "Ships" - he'll always be "Boats" in my mind.
If they are ships then does that meen all other ships are boats or are they neither a ship nor a boat????

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Joined: December 17th, 2005, 10:55 pm

May 1st, 2008, 9:30 pm #6

All right. I can't take it anymore.

I've watched a couple episodes of the PBS series "Carrier", about life aboard the USS Nimitz. I keep hearing these sailors on her refer to her as a "boat" and it drives me nuts.

Isn't the Nimitz considered a "ship"? Our beloved vessel is an LST (Landing SHIP Tank). It's not an LBT (Landing BOAT tank). Maybe it's not an LBT because someone might confuse the letters and refer to it as a BLT - they had enough other nicknames for the LST's.

So is it fair to use the word "boat" in place of "ship" but you don't use "ship" in place of "boat"?

My mom used to love to fish. She had a bass boat. You never hear bass boats called bass ships. Our LCVP's aren't called ships, they're called boats.

Fred says when he was in the Navy you never refered to a ship as a boat.

So to all you sailors out there, how were you taught to reference vessels of different types?

Flt-Tech, did you call the bird farm you were on a boat or a ship?

And if they are interchangable, I will refuse to refer to our Chief Bos'n Mate as "Ships" - he'll always be "Boats" in my mind.
First off I did't think y'all had PBS in Iowa. Yes Airdales refer to the BIRDFARM as THE BOAT. Back in the day Naval Aviators(not Pilots) refered to their Planes as SHIPS.

As fr boats being carried aboard ships I believe the line should be drawn at boats and craft that can be hoisted by the ships machinery. This cuts the LCT mk5 and mk6 out of that mix as it weighs 150 tons and few ships can handle more than 50 tons on its booms. The LCT had 3 sub-sections, the LST could carry up to 5 sections. The 5 sections having a weight of about 250 tons is close to the max deck load of 300 tons. All the LCT pictures I have seen show floating cranes loading and unloading LCT's and sections. The LST was the only vessel to be able to directly launch an LCT over the side.

The difference between ships and craft appears to be at 200 feet. the LSM (LCT mk7) could handle it's self and was not transported PC's and SC's along with LCI's were pretty much sels contained of long voyages as built. Late in the war the LCT proved it could undertake long voyages with careful planning. for more on LCT's http://www.ww2lct.org

Bob its just a drydock, but if you have to transit a section through the Panama Canal on a pontoon is the pontoon then a ship and the drydock a boat?



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Joined: September 20th, 2006, 1:23 pm

May 2nd, 2008, 12:59 am #7


and which is the boat?

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Joined: December 17th, 2005, 10:55 pm

May 2nd, 2008, 2:31 am #8

after I posted that you were going to play the LIFT SHIP Card.
So,ok the Cole is a ship. Why, it was floated on, NOT Hoisted.The real question is this, Is a heavy lift ship really a Ship?, or a self-propelled floating Drydock? or a Submarine? Is it diesel direct drive or Diesel electric, which would make it a HYBRID?
Checkout the website http://www.cargolaw.com they have a sequence of what I believe is the pictured heavy lift vessel or a sister ship SINKING! Boat, ship or craft, they all SINK! There are also pictures of non-Gator freighters on beaches. I you do check out the site look for the "Under Achiver" and they have a link to us to.

So Bob , you going to make the trip this summer?
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Joined: September 20th, 2006, 1:23 pm

May 2nd, 2008, 2:52 am #9


I could go on the trip but I just started a new career dealing cards at a casino in Atlantic City. Summer is their busy season & we're not allowed to take off weekends or holidays. I do have my reservations for LST WEEK 2008 and plan on attending!  (knock on wood!). I'll see you all in the bilges!

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Joined: March 19th, 2006, 12:13 am

May 2nd, 2008, 11:03 am #10

All right. I can't take it anymore.

I've watched a couple episodes of the PBS series "Carrier", about life aboard the USS Nimitz. I keep hearing these sailors on her refer to her as a "boat" and it drives me nuts.

Isn't the Nimitz considered a "ship"? Our beloved vessel is an LST (Landing SHIP Tank). It's not an LBT (Landing BOAT tank). Maybe it's not an LBT because someone might confuse the letters and refer to it as a BLT - they had enough other nicknames for the LST's.

So is it fair to use the word "boat" in place of "ship" but you don't use "ship" in place of "boat"?

My mom used to love to fish. She had a bass boat. You never hear bass boats called bass ships. Our LCVP's aren't called ships, they're called boats.

Fred says when he was in the Navy you never refered to a ship as a boat.

So to all you sailors out there, how were you taught to reference vessels of different types?

Flt-Tech, did you call the bird farm you were on a boat or a ship?

And if they are interchangable, I will refuse to refer to our Chief Bos'n Mate as "Ships" - he'll always be "Boats" in my mind.
This ol' dog learned a new trick today
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