A few answers that have been requested

A few answers that have been requested

Joined: December 21st, 2004, 3:35 am

December 22nd, 2004, 7:06 pm #1

I would like to state that I did not have anything to do with the updates on the LST-325 not being in the last issue of the Scuttlebutt.
I spoke to Mr. Robert Busch last night and asked him why nothing was put in about the 325 and he stated that his fax machine did not print out the information. It went into the memory and when he figured out what was wrong it was to late to place the information in the paper. He was asked to call Mr. Jornlin and explain the problem. The only time a update was not included was in the Jan-Feb issue of the paper. That was because we had not heard from the ship and had held the paper up many times before for stories and when it finally did come it went to Mr. Busch and I was not told about it. You can believe what I am saying or not. Call Mr. Busch. 1-419-874-7156.

The donation form for the LST-325 was removed on our attorney's suggestion. It was because of liability and unknown injury accidents that could occur that could turn into a lawsuit and you all know that people look for anyone they can find to get money when then sue. The board voted to protect our association and not post the donation form again. We still continued to get your web page, name and address so the people that wanted to donate had that proviledge. We put the donation form in from 2000 until May of 2002. I letter has been posted in the Scuttlebutt twice once in May 2002 and again Sept-Oct 2004 with the explantion.

Webmaster this directed to you. You asked about the selection of officers and Board Members. You have stated this was done on Aug 14 that is not true. It was not even voted on until the board meeting in Philadelphia.
When it was talked about it we looked at the bylaws that were written 1985 by Mr. Donald Kinney that stated to elect officers the member had to attend the convention and vote for them. When the Men's Business meeting is convened it is stated that 20% of the registered attending members must be present to have a quorom. There were times I had the board members go out in the lobby and get men to come to the meeting to enable us to have the meeting. They either had other things to do or they were not interested. If 100 men came to the business meeting that would be a lot. That is only a minimal amount of the 8500 to vote on candidates.

The posting of advertisements are limited to 2 times a year. Your group wanted to put all your items you have for sale on your web page and put them in every issue of the paper. The board voted many years ago to limit ads to 2 times a year so other people could place things in the paper.

The meeting between the 2 boards will be discussed at a meeting that will be held in Jan. in Toledo. Information will be available at a later date.

The board and officers are available for your comments. I have not spoken to Capt Jornlin in over a year. Linda spoke to him in May 2004. Also when he was injured she was the one that contacted Jim Anderson with the information he didn't even know he had been hurt. She didn't hesitate placing a notice on our web page of who to contact and where to send get well cards. We are still advertising your ship on our web page and still linking yours to ours. We were removed from your web page as a link 6 months ago. We are not even mentioned anywhere on your web page but your address, phone number and web page is on ours and has not been removed. If people call here and ask for your phone number or information they are given the proper information. Any donations that are sent here for the ship are forwarded on to Bruce Voges. What more can we do.

I will get to other issues after the holidays if that will be acceptable to you. Thank you Mike Gunjak, President United States LST Association
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December 22nd, 2004, 9:35 pm #2

<font face="comic sans ms" color=navy size=4>I don't know where to begin with all that, so I'll start by thanking you for your response. Other than that, I'll just address your points in sequence:

1) I talked to Linda long, long ago about your "attorney's suggestion." I told her that if the Association is actually paying an attorney for such advice, it should demand a refund or sue for malpractice. It's total nonsense. No liability attaches to the Association for an ad placed by a third party. Look at your hometown newspaper and see how many such ads are placed every single day of the week. In my book, that is a disingenuous statement at best.

2) The email that I got from Linda regarding selection of board members was received by me on Aug. 14. Now you state that "It was not even voted on until the board meeting in Philadelphia (which was held on July 20). And now you're suggesting that I'm wrong? Check your calendar. Let me clarify: Linda stated to me on Aug. 14 that she was not aware of any decision having been made. Thank you for having proved my point.

3) The printed minutes from the General Meeting in Philadelphia do not show such a decision being made. Why not?

4) Speaking of which, why was the meeting planned so closely to the departure times for tours? If you were supposedly having problems trying to work up a quorum, perhaps that might suggest one reason why. People were making preparations to leave on those tours. Yet you write that "there were times I had the board members go out in the lobby and get men to come to the meeting ..." Remember the Rule of the Six P's! (You know, the one about pre-planning and all that.)

5) Although I wasn't personally present, I have heard from several attendees that the meeting seemed very hurried and rush-rush. (Most certainly it was -- refer to #4!) If nothing else, this does nothing to enhance the Board's credibility. Such meetings should not be rushed. On the contrary, plenty of time should be alloted if they're to have any meaning at all. Their purpose is to have important decisions made by and for the membership. By allowing such little time, you show your disdain for the membership.

6) The printed minutes from Philadelphia read, "President Gunjak stated there would not be any minutes read for the meeting in Dallas, TX, due to the fact the tape recorder had malfunctioned." (Side note: Tape recorder malfunction, fax machine malfunction. The Association seems to experience more technical difficulties than even Dick Nixon.) Yet, in the same issue, there appears a report from the Dallas meeting. Whaddup wid dat?

7) Linda stated that this was done because the Association couldn't get people to run for office. If you can't find people to run for office, how can you possibly select board members from the General Membership? Have you ever entertained the notion that most of the membership knows how the board is really run, and that such positions are essentially meaningless? The truth is: the only people who can work with you are those who agree with you. On everything. (And no, that was not intended as an ad hominem.)

8) The net result here is that you are now President-for-Life. Congratulations. Never again will the membership even have an opportunity to select its own leadership or make changes, and you will never need to face any opposition.

9) Philadelphia: "President Gunjak stated he will have two (2) letters published in the Scuttlebutt that he had written to the LST Ship Memorial. He never received a reply to these letters." So where were they? You don't happen to have Rosemary Woods on your payroll, do you?

I look forward to your responses. When you happen to find the time, of course.
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Joined: August 24th, 2003, 1:23 pm

December 22nd, 2004, 11:18 pm #3

Dear Mike:

Thank you for your response. It is most appreciated.

To change US LST Association bylaws requires a two (2)-step process…the first step is a motion in made/presented, “to change” the Association’s Bylaws “at an Annual Convention Board Meeting.” The 2nd step is the Board must wait until the “next Annual Convention Board Meeting” before a vote can be taken on the motion presented at the pervious convention meeting. In summary, this process takes about one (1) year to change the Bylaws.

Based on board minutes and the Association's bylaws:

The Dallas Annual Convention Board Minutes reflects no mention of a motion to change the Association’s Bylaws to “eliminate the right of its members to vote for its President and Directors.” Convention Date August 30, 2003. Printed in the Scuttlebutt, Page 15.

The Philadelphia Annual Convention Board Meeting does not reflect a vote by the Board of Directors to “change the bylaws by eliminating the right to vote of its President or Directors. Convention date July 20, 2004. Printed in the Scuttlebutt, page 15.

With all due respect the question is straightforward---Does the membership of the US LST Association have the right to vote for its President and Directors?
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December 23rd, 2004, 4:03 am #4

I would like to state that I did not have anything to do with the updates on the LST-325 not being in the last issue of the Scuttlebutt.
I spoke to Mr. Robert Busch last night and asked him why nothing was put in about the 325 and he stated that his fax machine did not print out the information. It went into the memory and when he figured out what was wrong it was to late to place the information in the paper. He was asked to call Mr. Jornlin and explain the problem. The only time a update was not included was in the Jan-Feb issue of the paper. That was because we had not heard from the ship and had held the paper up many times before for stories and when it finally did come it went to Mr. Busch and I was not told about it. You can believe what I am saying or not. Call Mr. Busch. 1-419-874-7156.

The donation form for the LST-325 was removed on our attorney's suggestion. It was because of liability and unknown injury accidents that could occur that could turn into a lawsuit and you all know that people look for anyone they can find to get money when then sue. The board voted to protect our association and not post the donation form again. We still continued to get your web page, name and address so the people that wanted to donate had that proviledge. We put the donation form in from 2000 until May of 2002. I letter has been posted in the Scuttlebutt twice once in May 2002 and again Sept-Oct 2004 with the explantion.

Webmaster this directed to you. You asked about the selection of officers and Board Members. You have stated this was done on Aug 14 that is not true. It was not even voted on until the board meeting in Philadelphia.
When it was talked about it we looked at the bylaws that were written 1985 by Mr. Donald Kinney that stated to elect officers the member had to attend the convention and vote for them. When the Men's Business meeting is convened it is stated that 20% of the registered attending members must be present to have a quorom. There were times I had the board members go out in the lobby and get men to come to the meeting to enable us to have the meeting. They either had other things to do or they were not interested. If 100 men came to the business meeting that would be a lot. That is only a minimal amount of the 8500 to vote on candidates.

The posting of advertisements are limited to 2 times a year. Your group wanted to put all your items you have for sale on your web page and put them in every issue of the paper. The board voted many years ago to limit ads to 2 times a year so other people could place things in the paper.

The meeting between the 2 boards will be discussed at a meeting that will be held in Jan. in Toledo. Information will be available at a later date.

The board and officers are available for your comments. I have not spoken to Capt Jornlin in over a year. Linda spoke to him in May 2004. Also when he was injured she was the one that contacted Jim Anderson with the information he didn't even know he had been hurt. She didn't hesitate placing a notice on our web page of who to contact and where to send get well cards. We are still advertising your ship on our web page and still linking yours to ours. We were removed from your web page as a link 6 months ago. We are not even mentioned anywhere on your web page but your address, phone number and web page is on ours and has not been removed. If people call here and ask for your phone number or information they are given the proper information. Any donations that are sent here for the ship are forwarded on to Bruce Voges. What more can we do.

I will get to other issues after the holidays if that will be acceptable to you. Thank you Mike Gunjak, President United States LST Association
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Joined: July 8th, 2003, 4:49 am

December 23rd, 2004, 6:36 pm #5

I would like to state that I did not have anything to do with the updates on the LST-325 not being in the last issue of the Scuttlebutt.
I spoke to Mr. Robert Busch last night and asked him why nothing was put in about the 325 and he stated that his fax machine did not print out the information. It went into the memory and when he figured out what was wrong it was to late to place the information in the paper. He was asked to call Mr. Jornlin and explain the problem. The only time a update was not included was in the Jan-Feb issue of the paper. That was because we had not heard from the ship and had held the paper up many times before for stories and when it finally did come it went to Mr. Busch and I was not told about it. You can believe what I am saying or not. Call Mr. Busch. 1-419-874-7156.

The donation form for the LST-325 was removed on our attorney's suggestion. It was because of liability and unknown injury accidents that could occur that could turn into a lawsuit and you all know that people look for anyone they can find to get money when then sue. The board voted to protect our association and not post the donation form again. We still continued to get your web page, name and address so the people that wanted to donate had that proviledge. We put the donation form in from 2000 until May of 2002. I letter has been posted in the Scuttlebutt twice once in May 2002 and again Sept-Oct 2004 with the explantion.

Webmaster this directed to you. You asked about the selection of officers and Board Members. You have stated this was done on Aug 14 that is not true. It was not even voted on until the board meeting in Philadelphia.
When it was talked about it we looked at the bylaws that were written 1985 by Mr. Donald Kinney that stated to elect officers the member had to attend the convention and vote for them. When the Men's Business meeting is convened it is stated that 20% of the registered attending members must be present to have a quorom. There were times I had the board members go out in the lobby and get men to come to the meeting to enable us to have the meeting. They either had other things to do or they were not interested. If 100 men came to the business meeting that would be a lot. That is only a minimal amount of the 8500 to vote on candidates.

The posting of advertisements are limited to 2 times a year. Your group wanted to put all your items you have for sale on your web page and put them in every issue of the paper. The board voted many years ago to limit ads to 2 times a year so other people could place things in the paper.

The meeting between the 2 boards will be discussed at a meeting that will be held in Jan. in Toledo. Information will be available at a later date.

The board and officers are available for your comments. I have not spoken to Capt Jornlin in over a year. Linda spoke to him in May 2004. Also when he was injured she was the one that contacted Jim Anderson with the information he didn't even know he had been hurt. She didn't hesitate placing a notice on our web page of who to contact and where to send get well cards. We are still advertising your ship on our web page and still linking yours to ours. We were removed from your web page as a link 6 months ago. We are not even mentioned anywhere on your web page but your address, phone number and web page is on ours and has not been removed. If people call here and ask for your phone number or information they are given the proper information. Any donations that are sent here for the ship are forwarded on to Bruce Voges. What more can we do.

I will get to other issues after the holidays if that will be acceptable to you. Thank you Mike Gunjak, President United States LST Association
<font face="comic sans ms" color=navy size=4>Minutes from the Philadelphia meeting: "President Gunjak stated there would not be any minutes read for the meeting in Dallas, TX, due to the fact the tape recorder malfunctioned."

Post by Linda entitled "Additional information about the minutes from Philly," posted Dec. 21: "The general meeting minutes are in the Sect-Oct paper on page 15 along with the minutes from Dallas. It has all the information that was taken at the meeting listed. Mr Ralph Rogers the Association Secy has the tapes of the meeting and typed them from the tape recorder." [My emphasis added.]

C'mon now. Just who the heck are we supposed to believe???
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Joined: July 8th, 2003, 4:49 am

December 23rd, 2004, 8:38 pm #6

I would like to state that I did not have anything to do with the updates on the LST-325 not being in the last issue of the Scuttlebutt.
I spoke to Mr. Robert Busch last night and asked him why nothing was put in about the 325 and he stated that his fax machine did not print out the information. It went into the memory and when he figured out what was wrong it was to late to place the information in the paper. He was asked to call Mr. Jornlin and explain the problem. The only time a update was not included was in the Jan-Feb issue of the paper. That was because we had not heard from the ship and had held the paper up many times before for stories and when it finally did come it went to Mr. Busch and I was not told about it. You can believe what I am saying or not. Call Mr. Busch. 1-419-874-7156.

The donation form for the LST-325 was removed on our attorney's suggestion. It was because of liability and unknown injury accidents that could occur that could turn into a lawsuit and you all know that people look for anyone they can find to get money when then sue. The board voted to protect our association and not post the donation form again. We still continued to get your web page, name and address so the people that wanted to donate had that proviledge. We put the donation form in from 2000 until May of 2002. I letter has been posted in the Scuttlebutt twice once in May 2002 and again Sept-Oct 2004 with the explantion.

Webmaster this directed to you. You asked about the selection of officers and Board Members. You have stated this was done on Aug 14 that is not true. It was not even voted on until the board meeting in Philadelphia.
When it was talked about it we looked at the bylaws that were written 1985 by Mr. Donald Kinney that stated to elect officers the member had to attend the convention and vote for them. When the Men's Business meeting is convened it is stated that 20% of the registered attending members must be present to have a quorom. There were times I had the board members go out in the lobby and get men to come to the meeting to enable us to have the meeting. They either had other things to do or they were not interested. If 100 men came to the business meeting that would be a lot. That is only a minimal amount of the 8500 to vote on candidates.

The posting of advertisements are limited to 2 times a year. Your group wanted to put all your items you have for sale on your web page and put them in every issue of the paper. The board voted many years ago to limit ads to 2 times a year so other people could place things in the paper.

The meeting between the 2 boards will be discussed at a meeting that will be held in Jan. in Toledo. Information will be available at a later date.

The board and officers are available for your comments. I have not spoken to Capt Jornlin in over a year. Linda spoke to him in May 2004. Also when he was injured she was the one that contacted Jim Anderson with the information he didn't even know he had been hurt. She didn't hesitate placing a notice on our web page of who to contact and where to send get well cards. We are still advertising your ship on our web page and still linking yours to ours. We were removed from your web page as a link 6 months ago. We are not even mentioned anywhere on your web page but your address, phone number and web page is on ours and has not been removed. If people call here and ask for your phone number or information they are given the proper information. Any donations that are sent here for the ship are forwarded on to Bruce Voges. What more can we do.

I will get to other issues after the holidays if that will be acceptable to you. Thank you Mike Gunjak, President United States LST Association
<font face="comic sans ms" color=navy size=4>Scuttlebutt, July/Aug 2004 (reprinted from May/June 2002): "THE ASSOCIATION [my emphasis] went to BP Oil and asked if they would be willing to donate 20,000 gallons of diesel fuel. They outdid that by giving 70,000 total." It was gracious of you to note, however, that Dan Waterfield, Congressman Hall and Priscilla Roberts "helped."

And yep, the Skipper was right. Your own posting on Dec. 10, 2000 states: "The United States LST Association members have donated over 60,000.00 to help return the ship we are very proud of that, and numerous other non members have also done the same."
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