Ontario Lacrosse Collaborates With MYLax For New Team Rankings System

Ontario Lacrosse Collaborates With MYLax For New Team Rankings System

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:45 pm #1

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:35 pm #2

will this be the sole way to rank teams i do believe this could work but might have a transition period. some teams arent even listed is there a reason
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:58 am #3


She:kon!

I am surprised that the OLA would outsource this function and to an American company to boot - like NGIN websites - rather than developing their own system or putting their current system down into a spreadsheet.  I mean, how tough could it be to calculate weighted numbers or tender a contract to the OLA membership for input and possible development for this function?


Heck, was this outsourcing even tendered??  I don't remember reading anything about that.

Of course this is only the first complaint of what will soon be many.  The second complaint is, of course, is how much it will eventually cost the membership for these services.  It can't be cheap I'm sure.

Skennen

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Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:03 pm #4

I think you have to ask, does the OLA have the resources to do this and more importantly, do it well ?? They would probably have to hire someone to do the job, which would mean an added expense to the clubs. Outsourcing gets you some economies of scale and the hope that it will be done well. I think this explains some odd requests that we have received from our club regarding the reporting of scores. Really what it looks like "they" are doing is downloading the responsibility of the data input to all the clubs, which when you think about it, might not be a bad idea since it is all volunteer resources and it is spread out over a large group. At least costs and workloads will be kept fairly low, maybe ?

In addition it is quoted as "an additional tool", so given that it is only a mathematical calculation, with understood (???) short comings, it looks like it will just be added information in the determination of rankings, which hopefully the decision makers can use and evaluate to make better decisions so that the most competitive games can be played come provincials. That would mean a better development experience for the players and more exciting games for the fans ! i.e. a better showcase for the sport

If nothing else it will give you an accurate (?) and easily accessible update of scores for all the teams.

I give the OLA two thumbs up for at least trying something new and thinking a little "outside the box". Might not be a bad thing imo.


I'll leave the whole US / Canada discussion alone, otherwise we might get back to that fascist/socialist discussion ... lol

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Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:11 pm #5


She:kon!

I agree with what you are saying - all good points -  however with a membership in the tens of thousands, I would think that a Request For Information or some sort of public tender could at least have been a decent route to go, even to the membership alone.  

But I am not sure those sorts of rules or policies apply to the OLA.

Barring anyone wanting to wildly profit from the OLA  :S  LaxPower explains their ratings system (http://www.laxpower.com/update12/ex_col.php) and I would have thought something similar could be developed 'locally' and from within the community.  If peeps don't know the opportunities exist, that can't offer to help.

Skennen

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Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:24 pm #6

I'll stay away from the whole outsourcing issue and instead just comment on the system itself.

As someone with a background/education in stats, my first reaction was "cool", followed by "wow, the rankings are surprisingly accurate given the relatively small number of games played". I spent some time looking at their methodology as well as examining how various ages/zones/teams ranked.

The ratings will likely change significantly next week for two reasons:

1) Several large tournaments take place this weekend, which will dramatically increase the number of non-zone games and adjust some of the age groups where groups of teams from specific zones are ranked too high or too low.

2) Most of the "missing" teams will have five games in the system by then, which means they will appear in the rankings.

No system is perfect, but I think that this is a great step forward by the OLA.
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:27 pm #7

will this be the sole way to rank teams i do believe this could work but might have a transition period. some teams arent even listed is there a reason
My take on the press release is that the OLA is hedging their bets on this. The wording suggests that these rankings will be used to "help" rate the teams, so I suspect that the official ratings that come out in early July will vary somewhat from the MYLax ranks.

In terms of teams not listed, you can find them all via the alphabetical sorting link. Teams do not appear in the actual rankings until they have 5 games in the system. That's why teams such as Owen Sound Peewee don't yet appear.
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:10 pm #8

For Kahnawake Bantams, their scores and record is wrong on this new site. The team is undeated but shows 2 losses. They have only played 1 Gloucester team all year (Gloucester 1) but it shows that they have played Gloucester teams 4 times. They played Nepean 1, not Nepean 2. How many other teams are like this?
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:57 pm #9

There are links on the site to report incorrect scores.
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:16 pm #10

She:kon!

I agree with what you are saying - all good points -  however with a membership in the tens of thousands, I would think that a Request For Information or some sort of public tender could at least have been a decent route to go, even to the membership alone.  

But I am not sure those sorts of rules or policies apply to the OLA.

Barring anyone wanting to wildly profit from the OLA  :S  LaxPower explains their ratings system (http://www.laxpower.com/update12/ex_col.php) and I would have thought something similar could be developed 'locally' and from within the community.  If peeps don't know the opportunities exist, that can't offer to help.

Skennen

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Myhockeyrankings does not charge for their rankings. I presume they make their money from advertising on their site.

I have serious reservations about their methodology and results. They say that there is no subjectivity, but the factors and weightings that go into their model are completely subjective.
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