Hawkins friend said: 'depressed last couple of months & on a BUNCH OF ANTI-DEPRESSANTS'...

Hawkins friend said: 'depressed last couple of months & on a BUNCH OF ANTI-DEPRESSANTS'...

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December 7th, 2007, 1:30 pm #1

And who better to know what was going on than one of his friends he could talk to with no connection to a mixed up family life or his 'landlady' etc.  A friend who he could talk to and now just comes out with the situation as it was for Robert Hawkins just before the shooting and who is quite clearly unaware of the connection between antidepressants and homicide, and doesn't know that the last thing drug sellers, regulators and some doctors want to see in the news is that this shooter too was on antidepressants, and sees no reason not to mention it.

<EM>"One of them, Shawn Saunders, says he never saw something like this coming... although he knew hawkins was troubled. "I was shocked. It didn't seem like something he would do. He was kind of a funny, goofy kid, you know. <STRONG>He's been depressed for the last couple of months and on a bunch of anti-depressants and what not.</STRONG> He got fired recently. Everything kind of sucked for him I guess."</EM>


<FONT size=5><STRONG>"Omaha Mall Shootings: 10PM Coverage 12/06/07&nbsp;
</STRONG></FONT>By Brian Allen, Robert Wilson, Caitlin Haedicke

<FONT size=2>Story Created: Dec 6, 2007 at 11:43 PM CST
Story Updated: Dec 6, 2007 at 11:47 PM CST&nbsp;</FONT>

Flags across Nebraska fly at half staff for those who died in Wednesday's shootings at Westroads Mall in Omaha.

Six of those killed were employees at the Von Maur store, where the shootings happened.

47 year old Beverly Flynn of Omaha worked there part-time to make money for the holidays.

66 year old Janet Jorgenson of Oomaha was a grandmother of 8.

56 year old Gary Joy of Omaha always had a smile on his face.

36 year old Angie Schuster of Omaha was engaged to get married.

53 year old Diane Trent of Omaha enjoyed working at Von Maurs because of the friendly atmosphere.

24 year old Maggie Webb of Omaha was the youngest victim who lived by the motto "you will only go as far as you let yourself".

Two Von Maur customers were also killed.

65 year old John McDonald of Council Bluffs hated violence, and a had a daughter who survived the 9-11 attacks in New York.

And 48 year old Gary Scharf of Lincoln...who had recently fallen in love with his ex-wife: they were set to be remarried.

Eight lives lost in one horrible day in Omaha, Nebraska.

65-year-old John McDonald died before emergency crews arrived.

McDonald's brother, PJ McDonald, is devastated. "It was a terrible thing. My brother was a gentle soul. If there was one thing that was characteristic of him... it is the fact that, he didn't like violence. He did not take well to any kind of violence."

The pain of what happened is taking hold tonight.

The focus for many has shifted away from here at the mall... the site of so much tragedy... to places of faith and worship... where people have gone to remember the victims.

At St. Leo's Catholic Church in Omaha, fellowship, prayer, and supporting each other were the most important things Thursday night.

"Faith is what helps you through these times. It also gives us hope." Rebecca Carillo worked at Von Maur. "It was important for me to get rid of some of my feelings."

She says the service helped her put this in perspective. "Right now i'm just trying to wrap my head around the fact that God has a plan for everything and for everything there is a season and I think right now is a time to heal and I've kind of worked through the anger."

Time and again we've heard the words this shouldn't happen here and tonight that same sense of midwest neighbor helping neighbor spirit is what a hurting community will count on.

"You don't really want to be by yourself at this time. You want to be around other people who kind of know what you are going through."

Many say what made this so much harder is the time of year when we should all be thinking of what we should be thankful for...several at the vigil say what they need more than anything right now is a lot of prayer.

The investigation continues tonight into the deadly shootings.

Authorities are digging into the background of the shooter... Robert Hawkins.

The Westroads Mall remained closed Thursday.

Funeral arrangements are beginning to be made for the victims.

As a city continues to grieve for their loss....new details have emerged about what exactly happened during Wednesday's shooting spree at the Westroads Mall.

Omaha Police still don't know why Robert Hawkins picked the Westroads Mall as his target, but they do know he moved quickly and destructively.

Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman says it was a senseless act of violence that took everyone by surprise. "Like most Nebraskans, I'm shocked, I'm stunned, and I'm still in disbelief. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. Our entire state is grieving."

Nebraska's worst single shooting spree in history was over in a matter of minutes and, according to Omaha Police Chief Thomas Warren, "It doesn't appear there was an opportunity for intervention."

Warren says security cameras captured Robert Hawkins entering Von Maur Department Store... leaving, and then coming back again. "He re-entered the store and appeared to be concealing something balled up in a sweatshirt."

Police believe Hawkins went straight to the elevator, rode it to the third floor, and immediately opened fire.

Investigators say Hawkins was using an AK-47 assault rifle. He fired off around thirty rounds...killing 6 store employees and 2 shoppers...before turning the gun on himself.

Police believe he stole the gun from his stepfather.

&nbsp;Hawkins had recently broken up with his girlfriend and lost his job at McDonalds.

&nbsp;In his suicide note, he wrote he no longer wanted to be a burden. Now, he is the cause of so much grief and sorrow. Omaha Mayor Mike Fahey is still in disbelief. "Our city is shocked and deeply saddened by this terrible, senseless tragedy."

Investigators say there didn't appear to be any reason Hawkins targeted the specific victims.

Some of Robert Hawkins friends are talking about him tonight...

<STRONG><EM><FONT size=4>One of them, Shawn Saunders, says he never saw something like this coming... although he knew hawkins was troubled. "I was shocked. It didn't seem like something he would do. He was kind of a funny, goofy kid, you know. He's been depressed for the last couple of months and on a bunch of anti-depressants and what not. He got fired recently. Everything kind of sucked for him I guess."</FONT></EM></STRONG>

Other friends called Hawkins a "helpful" teen who struggled to overcome depression.

Hawkins had been treated for depression and attention-deficit disorder, and even though he was just 19, he already had a criminal record.

He had been a ward of the state for 4 years...after threatening to kill his step-mother.

According to Todd Landry with Nebraska's Children & Family Services, that ended when he turned 18 last year. "Our custody ended on August 24th 2006 when department custody was terminated by the court. Parental rights are intact and no other children in the family have been or are currently state wards."

Hawkins was sent to at least four treatment centers and group homes for youths with substance abuse, mental or behavioral problems."

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"One of them [Robert Hawkin's friends], Shawn Saunders, says he never saw something like this coming... although he knew hawkins was troubled. "I was shocked. It didn't seem like something he would do. He was kind of a funny, goofy kid, you know. He's been depressed for the last couple of months and on a bunch of anti-depressants and what not. He got fired recently. Everything kind of sucked for him I guess."

<FONT color=#776644>List of School Homicides On Prescription</FONT>

"1966 Charles Whitman, 29, (Valium and Dexedrine) student at University of Texas who killed his wifeand mother then went to the 27 storey high tower of the university firing down at passers-by on the campusand in the city, killing 15 people and wounding 31 others before being fatally shot down by police. Early that year he was prescribed valium when he complained of depression. In March he then saw the campuspsychiatrist and remarked that he was getting urges to shoot people. By summer, shortly before thekillings, he was prescribed Dexedrine.

1986 Rod Mathews aged 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

1988 James Wilson, aged 19, (Haldol, Xanax, Thorazine, Valium) Breenwood, South Carolina, took a.22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers. James had been on prescribed drugs for 5 years.

1989 Patrick Purdy, 25 (Amitriptyline and Chlorpromazine) in California, opened fire on a schoolplayground killing 5 children and wounding 30 others before killing himself.

1993 Steven Leith (Prozac), teacher of Chelsea, Michigan, shot dead the school superintendent and wounded two others including a fellow teacher. He had been prescribed Prozac after slowly losing his wife to cancer.

1997 Luke Woodham aged 16 (Prozac) who killed his mother and then killed two students at his Pearl Mississippi school, wounding six others.

1997 Michael Carneal, aged 14, (Ritalin) opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky in 1997. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed.

1998 Laurie Dann, 30, (Lithium and Anafranil) on a shooting rampage at an Illinois school, killed one child and wounded 5 others before killing herself.

1998 Andrew Golden, aged 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people in Jonesboro Arkansas, killing four students and one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

1998 Kip Kinkel, 15, (Prozac) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22, shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

1998 Boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school.
See Pfizer internal document on clinical trial participant becoming homicidal on day 11 at: http://www.ssri-uksupport.com/PfizerZoloft1983.pdf

1999 Eric Harris,17, (Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold ,18, (Zoloft & Paxil) in Colombine school shooting at Littleton, Colorado, killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and injured 23 others, before killing themselves.

1999 Neal Furrow, (Prozac) LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications. He was said by neighbours to have loved children.

1999 Shawn Cooper, 15, (An SSRI) Notus, Idaho, stand off at school.

1999 TJ Solomon, aged 15, (Ritalin and antidepressants) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

1999 Steven Abrams (Lithium) of California rammed his car into a preschool playground killing two children and wounding five. He was taking Lithium under court order.

1999 Todd Smith, 14, (Dexadrine), at his high school in Taber, Alberta, shot and killed one child and wounded another. He had been prescribed Dexadrine just prior to the incident.

1999 Seth Trickey, 13, (Several Prescription Medicines) opened fire at the Fort Gibson Middle School in Oklahoma, injuring 5 students. During his certification hearing, it was testified that “although he seemed to have a model life at home and at school, he suffered from recurrent severe headaches, for which he took several prescription medicines and received treatment from a psychologist for 9 months prior to the shooting.”

2001 Cory Baadesgaard, 16, (Paxil then 300 mgs Effexor) Matawa, WA school standoff. This was not long after being taken off Paxil cold turkey and changed over to Effexor.

2001 Elizabeth Bush aged 13 (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania.

2001 Jason Hoffman, 18, (Effexor and Celexa) - school shooting in El Cajon, California, wounded five. Jason later hung himself in prison. See Homicidal Ideation on page 40 of Wyeths Effexor information at http://www.wyeth.com/content/ShowLabeling.asp?id=100

2001 Mamoru Takuma, 37 (Antidepressants) burst into an elementary school in Osaka, Japan, slashing eight children to death and wounding 18 other children and three adults before unsuccessfully attempting suicide by knife wounds. Takuma told police he had taken 10 times his daily dose of an unspecified anti-depressant before heading out to the school.

2002 Peter Odighizuwa, 42, (Treatment for Depression & Stress) went on a rampage at the Appalachian Law School he attended, killing the dean, a professor and a student and seriously wounding three others. The doctor who first attended the scene described the killings as “executions”. He was the same doctor that had treated Odighizuwa for depression and stress in the previous six months.

2005 Jeff Weise, 16, (Prozac) Minnesota School shootings, killed his Grandfather and Grandmother, and then went on a rampage at the school. He killed a teacher, a security officer and 5 students, wounding 7 others (2 critically), before exchanging gunfire with police and shooting himself.

2007 John Ogdren, 16, (Several Psychoactive Medications) killed 15 year old classmate James Alenson with a knife at Lincoln-Sudbury School, Princeton. He had no history of violence. He allegedly told a teacher, “I just snapped. I don't know why". His lawyer testified that he had been taking “several medications”, had “a history of fairly serious psychological diagnoses and has also suffered from hyperactivity dysfunction for many years” and was also being treated for “Asberger’s

2007 Cho Sueng Hui, 23, (“Medication for Depression”) went on a shooting rampage at Virginia Tech University killing 32 fellow students and injuring 29 others, some seriously, before committing suicide by shooting himself in the head. He had previously shown disturbed behavious and tried to set fire to the school. It was reported that “investigators believe that Cho….had been taking medication for depression”. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/read ... Num=184258&nbsp;. Officials stated that “prescription medications said to be related to the treatment of psychological problems” were found among Cho’s effects. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... PAN6G1.DTL A fellow student at Virginia Tech, Karan Grewal, said that on the morning to the shootings “Cho calmly applied lotion, inserted his contact lenses and took his medication” and “He did not seem like a guy that would do anything like this”. (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,21 ... public_rss)

2007 Pekka-Eric Auvisen, 18, (Antidepressants or Withdrawal) Finland, went on a shooting massacre at Jokela School, killing the Headmistress and 7 fellow students then shot himself in the head and died a few hours later. He had also attempted to set the school on fire. Pekka had posted on a website in Finland that he had been taking antidepressants for the past year and they “made him feel aggressive” and on another occasion that he had “stopped taking the pills at least temporarily”.
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Jokela ... 5231686882 Not long before the school massacre, he made a video featuring SSRIs, Columbine & Virginia shootings. http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Jokela ... 5231686882.&nbsp;In the event of the link no longer functioning, a transcript is of that video can be accessed at this url:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/m ... 1194709909 "

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<FONT face=Arial><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>Considering the benefit and the risk, we think this preparation totally unsuitable for the treatment of depression.’</FONT></EM></STRONG> <FONT size=2>— May 25th 1984 communication to Lilly US from Lilly Bad Homburg by B v.Keitz containing a translation of an unofficially received medical comment on the Fluoxetine application to the German regulators.</FONT></FONT>

<FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><STRONG><EM>‘I do not think I could explain to the BGA, a judge, to a reporter or even to my family why we would do this especially on the sensitive issue of suicide and suicidal ideation.’</EM></STRONG> — Memo from Bouchy C to L Thompson Re: Adverse Drug Event Reporting – Suicide Fluoxetine. November 13th 1990. Exhibit 117 in Forsyth vs Eli Lilly.</FONT></FONT>

<FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><STRONG><EM>‘I am concerned about reports I get re UK attitude toward Prozac’s safety. Leber suggested a few minutes ago we use CSM database to compare Prozac aggression, suicidal ideation with other antidepressants in the UK. Although he is a fan of Prozac and believes a lot of this is garbage, he is clearly a political creature and will have to respond to pressures. I hope Patrick realizes that Lilly can go down the tubes if we lose Prozac and just one event in the UK can cost us that.’</EM></STRONG> — Memo from Leigh Thompson February 7th 1990. Exhibit 98 in Forsyth Vs Eli Lilly.</FONT>

<FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><EM><STRONG>‘All policymakers must be vigilant to the possibility of research data being manipulated by corporate bodies and of scientific colleagues being seduced by the material charms of industry. Trust is no defence against an aggressively deceptive corporate sector.’</STRONG></EM> — Editorial (2000). Resisting smoke and spin. Lancet 355, 1197. </FONT>