FINNISH SHOOTINGS - desperate for 'acceptable' news? Make unsubstantiated suggestions

FINNISH SHOOTINGS - desperate for 'acceptable' news? Make unsubstantiated suggestions

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November 10th, 2007, 10:05 pm #1


Are the Finnish Police investigating the SSRI antidepressant link and the similarities in behaviour between people on psychotropic drugs in school shootings?   Emphasis added:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

<SPAN class=news_story_title>Finnish School Killer <STRONG>May</STRONG> Have Contacted U.S. Plotter Via Web </SPAN>
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Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said.

``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview.

The U.S. teenager was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school, according to an Oct. 27 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Police searched his home and found a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, along with knives, swords, gunpowder and a video about the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado that left 12 students and a teacher dead.

Auvinen left a warning on YouTube about two hours before police were alerted to the shootings at lunchtime on Nov. 7. The YouTube video, titled ``Jokela High School Massacre 11/7/2007,'' opened with an image of the school, and consisted mainly of red cartoon-like pictures of Auvinen shooting at the viewer.

Auvinen's user profile, Sturmgeist89, included a manifesto in which he described himself as a ``natural selector'' who ``will eliminate all whom I see unfit, disgraces to the human race and failures of natural selection.''

Auvinen's YouTube account carried a total of 89 videos, including films of himself at target practice or showing pills labeled as antidepressants together with footage of the two students who carried out the Columbine massacre.

Finland declared Nov. 8 a national day of mourning because of the shooting, which was the deadliest peacetime attack in the country's history.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bill Murray in London at <SPAN class=httplink>[url=mailto:wmurray1@bloomberg.net]wmurray1@bloomberg.net[/url]</SPAN>

Last Updated: November 10, 2007 16:47 EST
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November 10th, 2007, 10:26 pm #2


<EM>Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said. </EM>

<EM>``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview. </EM>

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<P align=left>We<STRONG>&nbsp;<FONT size=4>DO</FONT> </STRONG>know that <STRONG><FONT size=4>ON THE INTERNET </FONT></STRONG>he said he was on antidepressants, we <STRONG><FONT size=4>DO </FONT></STRONG>know he made a video about them, we<STRONG>&nbsp;<FONT size=4>DO</FONT> </STRONG>know that he said they made him aggressive. We <FONT size=4><STRONG>DO </STRONG></FONT>know he said he hated them and we we&nbsp;<STRONG><FONT size=4>DO</FONT></STRONG> know that he may have been in withdrawal as we&nbsp;<STRONG><FONT size=4>DO</FONT></STRONG> know he said he'd recently stopped taking them.&nbsp; &nbsp;But what the heck, lets just investigate something that we&nbsp;<STRONG><FONT size=4>DON'T</FONT></STRONG> know but will&nbsp;try to&nbsp;establish because its&nbsp; more palatable to the media, the drug companies, the psychiatrists...etc.

When will they be investigating, in detail,&nbsp;what we <STRONG>DO</STRONG> know he said on the internet and the contacts he was&nbsp;saying it to&nbsp;at the time?&nbsp; Which is listed as best we can in &nbsp;the thread two down from this thread (one unrelated thread&nbsp;is between this and the other&nbsp;thread on this).
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November 11th, 2007, 12:16 pm #4

Are the Finnish Police investigating the SSRI antidepressant link and the similarities in behaviour between people on psychotropic drugs in school shootings?&nbsp;&nbsp; Emphasis added:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

<SPAN class=news_story_title>Finnish School Killer <STRONG>May</STRONG> Have Contacted U.S. Plotter Via Web </SPAN>
By Jonas Dromberg and Diana Ben-Aaron
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Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said.

``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview.

The U.S. teenager was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school, according to an Oct. 27 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Police searched his home and found a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, along with knives, swords, gunpowder and a video about the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado that left 12 students and a teacher dead.

Auvinen left a warning on YouTube about two hours before police were alerted to the shootings at lunchtime on Nov. 7. The YouTube video, titled ``Jokela High School Massacre 11/7/2007,'' opened with an image of the school, and consisted mainly of red cartoon-like pictures of Auvinen shooting at the viewer.

Auvinen's user profile, Sturmgeist89, included a manifesto in which he described himself as a ``natural selector'' who ``will eliminate all whom I see unfit, disgraces to the human race and failures of natural selection.''

Auvinen's YouTube account carried a total of 89 videos, including films of himself at target practice or showing pills labeled as antidepressants together with footage of the two students who carried out the Columbine massacre.

Finland declared Nov. 8 a national day of mourning because of the shooting, which was the deadliest peacetime attack in the country's history.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bill Murray in London at <SPAN class=httplink>[url=mailto:wmurray1@bloomberg.net]wmurray1@bloomberg.net[/url]</SPAN>

Last Updated: November 10, 2007 16:47 EST
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<FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=5><STRONG>"To end with the drugs</STRONG></FONT>

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=5>the cause of hostility?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=4>"I have not </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=4>been taken my medication </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=4>for a couple of days"</FONT></STRONG></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="">http://www.iltalehti.fi/etusivu/</A>&nbsp;(the picture below no longer on front page)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href=""><IMG class=etumiddle src="http://kuvat.iltalehti.fi/etusivu/kansisyySL_410_et.gif" border=1><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3> </FONT></A></DIV>
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<STRONG>Pekka-Eric <PERSON>Auvisen </PERSON>masennuslääkkeiden käytön äkillinen lopettaminen saattoi olla syynä nuorukaisen mielialan nopeaan muuttumiseen. <SPAN class=luelisaa><A href=""><FONT color=#0a50a1>Lue lisää...</FONT></A></SPAN><SPAN class=luelisaa><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT size=3><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></STRONG>

<SPAN class=luelisaa><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>Hostility, the result of discontinuation of medication?</FONT></SPAN></SPAN>

<SPAN class=luelisaa><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT size=4>Pekka-Eric Auvinens sudden discontinuation of medication may have been the reason behind the youngsters quick change of mood. On English comments that has already been removed from the internet Auvinen describes his condition as follows.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT size=3><EM>-I<STRONG> have not been taking my medication for a couple of days and my mood has really been a little hostile</STRONG>.<o:p></o:p></EM></FONT></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Auvinen points in his quote at an insult (lashing) that mentions a certain female. He also says that he has overcome the situation a long time ago. With this he might mean the splitting with his girlfriend.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Auvinen had a discussion with his far away crush the day before the shootings, who apparently did not share Auvinens feelings.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">The use of antidepressants only does not usually cause aggression from the patient, at most restlesness and anxiety.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">The discontinuation of medication should be supervised by a physician."</SPAN></FONT>

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November 11th, 2007, 3:04 pm #5

Are the Finnish Police investigating the SSRI antidepressant link and the similarities in behaviour between people on psychotropic drugs in school shootings?&nbsp;&nbsp; Emphasis added:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abCKhBogQza4&refer=home

<SPAN class=news_story_title>Finnish School Killer <STRONG>May</STRONG> Have Contacted U.S. Plotter Via Web </SPAN>
By Jonas Dromberg and Diana Ben-Aaron
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Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said.

``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview.

The U.S. teenager was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school, according to an Oct. 27 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Police searched his home and found a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, along with knives, swords, gunpowder and a video about the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado that left 12 students and a teacher dead.

Auvinen left a warning on YouTube about two hours before police were alerted to the shootings at lunchtime on Nov. 7. The YouTube video, titled ``Jokela High School Massacre 11/7/2007,'' opened with an image of the school, and consisted mainly of red cartoon-like pictures of Auvinen shooting at the viewer.

Auvinen's user profile, Sturmgeist89, included a manifesto in which he described himself as a ``natural selector'' who ``will eliminate all whom I see unfit, disgraces to the human race and failures of natural selection.''

Auvinen's YouTube account carried a total of 89 videos, including films of himself at target practice or showing pills labeled as antidepressants together with footage of the two students who carried out the Columbine massacre.

Finland declared Nov. 8 a national day of mourning because of the shooting, which was the deadliest peacetime attack in the country's history.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bill Murray in London at <SPAN class=httplink>[url=mailto:wmurray1@bloomberg.net]wmurray1@bloomberg.net[/url]</SPAN>

Last Updated: November 10, 2007 16:47 EST
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November 11th, 2007, 3:24 pm #6

Are the Finnish Police investigating the SSRI antidepressant link and the similarities in behaviour between people on psychotropic drugs in school shootings?&nbsp;&nbsp; Emphasis added:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

<SPAN class=news_story_title>Finnish School Killer <STRONG>May</STRONG> Have Contacted U.S. Plotter Via Web </SPAN>
By Jonas Dromberg and Diana Ben-Aaron
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Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said.

``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview.

The U.S. teenager was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school, according to an Oct. 27 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Police searched his home and found a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, along with knives, swords, gunpowder and a video about the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado that left 12 students and a teacher dead.

Auvinen left a warning on YouTube about two hours before police were alerted to the shootings at lunchtime on Nov. 7. The YouTube video, titled ``Jokela High School Massacre 11/7/2007,'' opened with an image of the school, and consisted mainly of red cartoon-like pictures of Auvinen shooting at the viewer.

Auvinen's user profile, Sturmgeist89, included a manifesto in which he described himself as a ``natural selector'' who ``will eliminate all whom I see unfit, disgraces to the human race and failures of natural selection.''

Auvinen's YouTube account carried a total of 89 videos, including films of himself at target practice or showing pills labeled as antidepressants together with footage of the two students who carried out the Columbine massacre.

Finland declared Nov. 8 a national day of mourning because of the shooting, which was the deadliest peacetime attack in the country's history.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bill Murray in London at <SPAN class=httplink>[url=mailto:wmurray1@bloomberg.net]wmurray1@bloomberg.net[/url]</SPAN>

Last Updated: November 10, 2007 16:47 EST
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<FONT face=Arial size=5><IMG style="WIDTH: 92px; HEIGHT: 20px" height=29 src="http://kuvat.iltalehti.fi/stikkerit/extra.gif" width=106 border=0></FONT><A href=""><STRONG><FONT color=#0a50a1 size=5>Tutkimus: SSRI-lääkitys voi johtaa väkivaltaan</FONT></STRONG></A><FONT size=5>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT size=5></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT size=5>Study: SSRI-medication may cause violent behaviour<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT size=3></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT size=4>According to a study done in Cardiff University publicized 2006 SSRI-medication may affect the mental condition of the patient causing amongst other things violent behaviour. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN>&nbsp;

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT size=4>According to an independent study made by David Healy, Andrew Herxheimer and David B Menkes evidence shows that <STRONG>the use of SSRI-medication worsens many different behavioural disorders.<o:p></o:p></STRONG></FONT></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT size=4>These adverse effects may according to the study vary from strong symptoms of restlesness to <STRONG>manic psychosis </STRONG>and <STRONG>extreme depression</STRONG>.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN>

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">The symptoms may worsen the mental state of the patient and <STRONG>finally cause self-destructive behaviour and violent reactions.&nbsp; </STRONG></SPAN></FONT>

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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">The study mentions that the evidence for these indications comes from supervised clinical tests and epidemiological examinations done on children and adults. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>

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November 11th, 2007, 4:07 pm #7

Are the Finnish Police investigating the SSRI antidepressant link and the similarities in behaviour between people on psychotropic drugs in school shootings?&nbsp;&nbsp; Emphasis added:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abCKhBogQza4&refer=home

<SPAN class=news_story_title>Finnish School Killer <STRONG>May</STRONG> Have Contacted U.S. Plotter Via Web </SPAN>
By Jonas Dromberg and Diana Ben-Aaron
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Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said.

``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview.

The U.S. teenager was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school, according to an Oct. 27 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Police searched his home and found a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, along with knives, swords, gunpowder and a video about the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado that left 12 students and a teacher dead.

Auvinen left a warning on YouTube about two hours before police were alerted to the shootings at lunchtime on Nov. 7. The YouTube video, titled ``Jokela High School Massacre 11/7/2007,'' opened with an image of the school, and consisted mainly of red cartoon-like pictures of Auvinen shooting at the viewer.

Auvinen's user profile, Sturmgeist89, included a manifesto in which he described himself as a ``natural selector'' who ``will eliminate all whom I see unfit, disgraces to the human race and failures of natural selection.''

Auvinen's YouTube account carried a total of 89 videos, including films of himself at target practice or showing pills labeled as antidepressants together with footage of the two students who carried out the Columbine massacre.

Finland declared Nov. 8 a national day of mourning because of the shooting, which was the deadliest peacetime attack in the country's history.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bill Murray in London at <SPAN class=httplink>[url=mailto:wmurray1@bloomberg.net]wmurray1@bloomberg.net[/url]</SPAN>

Last Updated: November 10, 2007 16:47 EST
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November 11th, 2007, 4:10 pm #8

Are the Finnish Police investigating the SSRI antidepressant link and the similarities in behaviour between people on psychotropic drugs in school shootings?&nbsp;&nbsp; Emphasis added:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

<SPAN class=news_story_title>Finnish School Killer <STRONG>May</STRONG> Have Contacted U.S. Plotter Via Web </SPAN>
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Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said.

``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview.

The U.S. teenager was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school, according to an Oct. 27 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Police searched his home and found a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, along with knives, swords, gunpowder and a video about the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado that left 12 students and a teacher dead.

Auvinen left a warning on YouTube about two hours before police were alerted to the shootings at lunchtime on Nov. 7. The YouTube video, titled ``Jokela High School Massacre 11/7/2007,'' opened with an image of the school, and consisted mainly of red cartoon-like pictures of Auvinen shooting at the viewer.

Auvinen's user profile, Sturmgeist89, included a manifesto in which he described himself as a ``natural selector'' who ``will eliminate all whom I see unfit, disgraces to the human race and failures of natural selection.''

Auvinen's YouTube account carried a total of 89 videos, including films of himself at target practice or showing pills labeled as antidepressants together with footage of the two students who carried out the Columbine massacre.

Finland declared Nov. 8 a national day of mourning because of the shooting, which was the deadliest peacetime attack in the country's history.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bill Murray in London at <SPAN class=httplink>[url=mailto:wmurray1@bloomberg.net]wmurray1@bloomberg.net[/url]</SPAN>

Last Updated: November 10, 2007 16:47 EST
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<FONT size=5></FONT><A href=""><STRONG><FONT color=#0a50a1 size=5>Suomessa myynnissä olevat SSRI-lääkkeet</FONT></STRONG></A><FONT size=5> </FONT>

<P class=leipateksti><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>(List of antidepressants available in Finland)</FONT></STRONG>

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<FONT size=5></FONT><A href=""><STRONG><FONT color=#000000 size=5>Uskotko lääkityksellä olleen osuutta tragediaan?</FONT></STRONG></A>
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November 11th, 2007, 9:22 pm #9

Are the Finnish Police investigating the SSRI antidepressant link and the similarities in behaviour between people on psychotropic drugs in school shootings?&nbsp;&nbsp; Emphasis added:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abCKhBogQza4&refer=home

<SPAN class=news_story_title>Finnish School Killer <STRONG>May</STRONG> Have Contacted U.S. Plotter Via Web </SPAN>
By Jonas Dromberg and Diana Ben-Aaron
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Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pekka-Eric Auvinen, the 18-year-old Finnish student who killed eight people this week in a town near Helsinki,<STRONG> may </STRONG>have had Internet contact with an American teenager who had planned a similar massacre at a school in Philadelphia, Helsinki police said.

``<STRONG>We haven't investigated</STRONG> in detail <STRONG>who</STRONG> Auvinen has contacted on the Internet, but it is <STRONG>likely</STRONG> that they have been in contact,'' Rabbe von Hertzen, detective superintendent and chief investigator of the Jokela School killings, said today in an interview.

The U.S. teenager was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school, according to an Oct. 27 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Police searched his home and found a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, along with knives, swords, gunpowder and a video about the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado that left 12 students and a teacher dead.

Auvinen left a warning on YouTube about two hours before police were alerted to the shootings at lunchtime on Nov. 7. The YouTube video, titled ``Jokela High School Massacre 11/7/2007,'' opened with an image of the school, and consisted mainly of red cartoon-like pictures of Auvinen shooting at the viewer.

Auvinen's user profile, Sturmgeist89, included a manifesto in which he described himself as a ``natural selector'' who ``will eliminate all whom I see unfit, disgraces to the human race and failures of natural selection.''

Auvinen's YouTube account carried a total of 89 videos, including films of himself at target practice or showing pills labeled as antidepressants together with footage of the two students who carried out the Columbine massacre.

Finland declared Nov. 8 a national day of mourning because of the shooting, which was the deadliest peacetime attack in the country's history.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bill Murray in London at <SPAN class=httplink>[url=mailto:wmurray1@bloomberg.net]wmurray1@bloomberg.net[/url]</SPAN>

Last Updated: November 10, 2007 16:47 EST
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000><STRONG><EM>"In Bowling for Colombine we never really came up with the answer in terms of why this happened. I think we did a good job of exposing, all the reasons we were given were a bunch of BS [bull****], you know, Marliyn Manson caused them to do it, this, this or that caused them to do it. And none of it really made any sense. That's why I believe there should be an investigation in terms of what pharmaceuticals, prescribed pharmaceuticals, these kids were on."</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000><STRONG><EM>A Finnish paper has reported that the 18 year old guy responsible for the finnish school massacre took and became aggressive from antidepressant drugs:</EM><EM> <FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=4>Jokela gunman said he used antidepressants </FONT></EM></STRONG><A href=""><FONT size=2>http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Jokela+gunman+said+he+used+antidepressants/1135231686882</FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
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<A href=""><FONT size=4>The Drugging of our Children (Gary Null)</FONT></A><FONT size=4>&nbsp;</FONT>

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