Just a little something I'm working on

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Just a little something I'm working on

JT Metalworks
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02 Jul 2009, 05:06 #1

Franz made me take a progress shot of the garage ceiling just to rub Jack's nose in what progress looks like. :lol:

Now this was done with the night framing on my camera as I don't currently have a functional lighting circuit in the garage. B) You'll notice the three sections of romex hanging at the corner of the truss - that's why. Rather than surface mounting the wiring like it had been, I decided to bring it all up above the ceiling, so all the wires need to pass through the steel as it goes in where the lights are.



I'm also changing the layout a bit by moving the lights from the front entry door to the back wall before the breezeway. I used to have the 5 configured like an H with the light concentrated in the front of the garage, and now it'll be two rows, one of 2 and the other with three fixtures. The 3rd being left above the steps to the house entrance. With the white ceiling, it should help the throw of the existing fixtures.
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02 Jul 2009, 05:33 #2

Don't forget JT bushings are required on all wire penetrations or Mr Codebook won't put his rubber stamp on the shyt.

Something looks crookid JT. Didn't you use your verneirs on that job?
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02 Jul 2009, 05:45 #3

Mr code book has already ok'd me to finish it out. I'm drilling holes directly through the light housings and then the tins, and then using the appropriate wire holding grommets. Since mr code book doesn't like ladders, I don't have much to worry about with him.

The framing to the house is crooked as hell - that's why the tins are loose in the spans. As they get closer to the common house wall, they get narrower. The angle makes the blocking in the storage level look a little kittywampus, but that's actually more square than the roof supports themselves. I didn't spend much time perfecting the angles of that blocking anyways - it's not going to be seen again once the tin goes up.

I could've ordered all the tin long enough to cut the appropriate angles on each and every piece, but that's far more work than I wanted to do for a mere garage ceiling. This is a function over form installation. The steel was chosen for weight and function first and foremost, with aesthetics a secondary concern. If OSB didn't cost nearly as much and still require paint, I would've gone that route. Sheetrock would've weighed in at 2000lbs, and the roof lacks support for that much weight. The trusses are on 4' centers with mere 2x6's spanning the 24' gap. I added in additional bracing and tied that in to the ceiling beams, but I still wouldn't subject it to that much static load. The steel is a dainty 270# for the whole ceiling.
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02 Jul 2009, 21:46 #4

I like that white ceiling, it's going to be a bright shop....
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02 Jul 2009, 23:00 #5

Tack, that's "the mrs" garage... I get the shop, she gets the garage. She actually believes you're supposed to park inside the house! :rolleyes:

I'll get to use it when doing engine work or customer cars and such, but for the most part it really is her space. The ceiling is just to provide the ability to effectively heat and cool it. I insulated and sheetrocked the walls last fall. I have no intentions of mudding anything other than the seams, and paint is flat out of the question.

My shop has a white 5/8" sheetrock ceiling. It was a lot of work to install, and it started out with square and plumb framing. I'd rather lick bamas balls than do rock on the garage ceiling.
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02 Jul 2009, 23:58 #6



Today's progress.

I'm adding more lights after all. They've got some single T12 fixtures like I used in the attic for $11 a pop on clearance at homie d. I'm going to pick up a couple of those to run across the front of the garage. Best of all, they're made by jesus down in mexico instead of hung wan in china.

I need to get some of that flexible edging stuff to cover a recess I had to punch for the original junction box. I'd use some fuel line, but I doubt mr inspector would approve.
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04 Jul 2009, 03:29 #7



So today I got the back section done, and the majority of the center section finished.

I'm still not certain how I intend to work around the ladder opening, but the sheets cut really nicely with the plasma cutter, and I've had good luck trimming the exposed edges with a regular cut-off disk (no burnt paint that way). I'm also pleased with how the not full width section looks against the inside wall. And I'm also happy with how the courses line up from after the break with the ladder section. You can see my witness mark on truss for the inside rib.

The lighting should be spectacular once all the fixtures are in. That ceiling helps a ton with reflecting the light back down.

Tomorrow should be pretty slow going. I've gotta modify the main garage door rail brackets to allow for the furring to be installed. I also need to figure out what to do about the ladder opening. On top of that, I have a couple customers coming over so it'll be hit or miss if I even spend much time working on the joint.

I am looking forward to being done with this crap. The insulation itch has gotten old fast.
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04 Jul 2009, 12:42 #8

Certainly does look like allot of work and a good job JT, you will be happy you did it when it's completed...

My shop's roof rafters are on 4' centers.. At one time i wanted to get the metal roof sprayed with insulation so I could keep the height and do the side walls with with styrofoam board and put the steel horizontal on the walls...

But that's a thing of the past, with no way to make a dime around here it would be senseless to invest the time and money... I piss around in the basement in the winter...
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04 Jul 2009, 14:48 #9

That spray in foam is expensive stuff. Contracting it done is astronomical, but even buying the kits from graingers would've cost $800 to do my tiny little garage.

It would've been nicer, because then the attic space would be much cooler for storage (and I wouldn't be itchy right now from the glass fibers), but it's not worth the pricetag.
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04 Jul 2009, 15:09 #10

I wanted it because it would have also sound proofed the tin roof when it rains.. just a small drizzle is to loud to think....
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04 Jul 2009, 15:15 #11

Any insulation will help with that, but you need to be sure the roof doesn't leak or you'll end up with a lake in your vapor barrier. The mrs has a friend with a really DUMB husband who's got black mold growing in the pole barn's insulation, yet he doesn't do anything about it. The vapor barrier collects water and you can see it pooled up there. He thinks since it doesn't drip on him, the roof is good to go!

Something else you might consider is rolling or spraying it with bedliner. Mass will damp the tin substantially.
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04 Jul 2009, 16:49 #12

Tack the sound of rain pounding onthe tin roof is a reminder you ain't outside tryin to stay dry. Enjoy it. Many years back I screwed Masonite to the bottom of my roof perlins with lathers channel every 4 feet to cover the seams. 8" of air space between the steel and masonite provided a lot of insulation. When styrofoam peanuts were available by the truckload I blew a lot of them into the space as well. It was cost effective. The thing you gota worry about now is a lot of the packin peanuts that look like styrofoam are made from cornstarch. They will disolve and attract mice & rats.

JT if that fool has black mold it is already cooking off his brain and will kill him soon enough. That shyt ain't something you play with. I wouldn't walk in that place for a free truckload of money.
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05 Jul 2009, 03:10 #13

I had a guy come out to price an insulation job, his price was fine but he didn't want to first go around and seal the buildings corners and the sidings j track down at the bottom of the footing... I was willing to pay for it but he never called back...

I also told him I didn't want any drunken trash or newbies doing the work... might have turned him off to the job....

So be it.
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05 Jul 2009, 04:02 #14

Yeah, something about stating you have standards kinda scares some folks off. :(

I got all but the middle strip where the opener hangs from done today. Still haven't started on the front section, but that'll be tomorrow unless I take a day off.
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07 Jul 2009, 02:53 #15



She's done.

I haven't decided what I'm going to do about the area over the opener brackets, but I have plenty of steel if I want to go that route. I'm probably going to install an outlet up there rather than continue using the greenfield. The new screw drive opener has a cord on it with a plug and the knock out comes out the side of the dang thing.

Once I paint the ladder white, it should look pretty slick. It's wonderfully illuminated. :)
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