Report from the national?

Joined: October 9th, 2016, 12:36 am

July 31st, 2017, 11:50 pm #11

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Good pics from the show Cliff, especially the one with Marty. And I thought I was scary.
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Joined: December 28th, 2007, 5:05 pm

August 1st, 2017, 3:17 am #12

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Just wrote a lengthy show summary, but I must have taken too long as it signed me out and deleted my entire post. I'll see if I can re-write it later this week.
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Joined: August 24th, 2012, 11:18 am

August 1st, 2017, 11:26 am #13

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
I was in Chicago for the National and attended the show all five days. I don't collect the antique/pre war stuff that many do here (well at least not yet) LOL! I am trying to complete my 50s 60s 70s sets. I did get the chance to meet and visit with Tom while he was behind a table (JDs I think).

My primary interest is sports cards, but I thought there was quite a bit of non sports cards at the show. I did shop at Steve Sabows table but bought most of my cards from another dealer whose name I do not know. He was set up on a corner and had non sports cards piled up high on all three sides. Singles stacked in Card Savers, and several complete sets too. I am just starting out in Exhibit cards and I put together a big stack of these that feature aircraft some have white numbers some have black numbers. Priced at 6 cards for $5 plus he always discounted on top of that. I also did heavy damage on all the astronauts sets I am working on. Another thing I bought from this guy who I do not know his name an unopened pack of Philadelphia Green Beret cards. I need just the #1 card to complete my set, and the pack was $10 so I have a one in sixty-six chance of getting the number one card? Well at least this is what I told myself. Alas, no #1 card in the pack, so I guess I bought a ten dollar wrapper LOL. Update when I got home a friend of mine texted me about a #1 card on eBay, and I picked it up yesterday.

Last months Wrapper had a story about the '56 Bubbles Elvis cards, a set I had not started yet. So after starter set from Alan Miley, I put a wantlist together and got that set down to just needing two cards. I discovered that there are two cards that show Elvis on a motorcycle, which demand a premium price, and It was fun thumbing through the cards and picking those up when I could. I ended up with five #23s and two #25s that show Elvis on a Harley, all were priced the same as the other commons around $3 each so I thought that was fun.

One guy in the back had a load of Donruss Odd Rod cards priced at $3 each pretty pricey for some of the re-issues from the '70s, but he had several on the original cards from 1969 mixed in, and I bought all he had. Maybe he knew what they were, maybe he didn't? But $3 each for the original cards is a good price plus he discounted for my large purchases. This same guy, tucked way in the back corner, also had a ton of those Fleer sets from the '70s that feature dragsters, and I finished my 1971 Fleer Official Drag Champs set. Now this might not sound like a big deal, but these cards are not numbered! You have to collect them by the heading on the card! I'm just glad to get this set completed and off my wantlist. "Guy in the Back" also finished off my Donruss Choppers and Hot Bikes set with the two cards I needed.

I finished that lame 1967 Topps Maya set too, with the #5 card I have been searching for five years for! One of those sets that is worth $10, but for some reason I tried to put it together card by card and I am into it for 3X that amount LOL! But I got the #5 card and paid .25c for it, that was a major accomplishment for me LOL!

Another .25c score that was huge I remember talk here about the 1978 Donruss Elvis card #24 that pictures just Elvis, not the more common #24 that pictures Elvis and the Colonel. To me, it's alot of fun to thumb through the stacks of '78 Elvis cards searching for that variation. Well it's fun if the cards are in order, a little more difficult if the cards are not in order. Anyway I did find one of these cards and paid full price .25c LOL!

I also picked up the handful of cards needed to complete my '59 Topps Wacky Plaks and '66 Glidrose 007 sets. These cards are still sitting on my kitchen table as I am having a hard time figuring out what box I have these cards in. I mean all my boxes are labeled, but either I am missing the labeling, or the boxes are mis-labeled, or I am just a dummy pick one of the above. Ohhh I almost forgot I also finished off 1953 Topps World On Wheels set! This dealer I nicknamed him "Half-Price Harry" cause every time I put down a stack of non-sports cards, he seemed to discount by 50% off his already adjusted price. Half-Price Harry had three of the high numbered cards, low grade at $14 each, and BOTH of the cards I needed were there! So I bought the two I needed, but 1/2 price Harry did not cut the price as much on those two cards LOL. I am still looking for cards numbered 170-180 with red backs I have blue backed cards but I heard you can find 170-180 with red backs too?

Final pick-up another dealer had a stack of beautiful 1961 Fleer Pirates Bold cards marked $3 or $4 each. I like this set, and most of my cards are low grade. I told him I would buy all he had for $2 each and he gave me the thumbs up so I picked up 30 cards all are upgrades all are beautiful cards too, and I'm down to just needing two more cards to complete my set.

Larry





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Joined: June 27th, 2006, 2:51 pm

August 1st, 2017, 12:24 pm #14

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
I don't think you can draw any conclusions about the lack of non-sports for a couple reasons. First, it's a Sports Card Convention. Second, space was limited so the non-sports dealers who get a table later in the year got shutout. And finally, you can't gauge interest based on one event.

I'm committed to Cleveland in 2018. Any collectors who are part-time dealers ( meaning you sell dupes to fund you collecting) interested in splitting the cost of a table? I wouldn't mind setting up and enjoying the event, even if i sold nothing and it was just to show my collection to maybe spur interest.
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Joined: September 16th, 2014, 9:16 pm

August 1st, 2017, 9:35 pm #15

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Nice job Larry, but my "grammar Nazi" side is annoyed by your use of decimal points in front of 25c. You either paid 25 cents, or got 4 for a penny (.25c). Either way, congrats for getting cards off your wish list and finding that Elvis by himself.
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Joined: November 20th, 2006, 7:37 pm

August 1st, 2017, 10:22 pm #16

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Hi all,

I really enjoyed Larry's post. It's what this hobby is all about- pure, unadulterated joy.

BTW, Larry, I don't want to rain on your parade, but in WOW there are two variations of cards #91 and #7. Your set may not be technically complete until you have all the variations.

Happy hunting,

Bill Bengen
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Joined: December 28th, 2007, 5:05 pm

August 2nd, 2017, 1:33 am #17

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Although I likely live closer to Chicago than most on this board I was only able to spend one day at the National this year (Thursday). As such I just couldn’t bring myself to pay the VIP price of admittance which would have only gotten me in one hour early so I had pre-purchased a general admission entry and at 10:00 with want list in hand I hit the show floor. There was a decent crowd, which was nice to see. Mostly middle aged white guys but still a goodly number of them. The show only ran from 10:00 to 6:00 which I knew would not be a lot of time so I set off with a purpose. It took me until almost 3:00 to make it through the floor one time and that was racing by any table that consisted solely of shiny stuff (of which there were plenty), any corporate booth as there was really nothing for me to see there, any table consisting primarily of memorabilia, and the auction tables. There was cool stuff in the auction areas but I just didn’t have the time to invest in them (although I did take a peek at the R90 Mickey Mouse and the Movie Stars complete high grade set and the complete set of R114 American Caramel Presidents with punched McKinley card).

I will agree with Marty and Tom in saying that there was scant little vintage (pre-1950) non-sports cards there. As such I’ll also agree with Jim VB and say that if Bob Marcy wasn’t there it would have been much worse. A large percentage of what I purchased came from Bob. I spent a decent amount of time going through his binders of cards. Probably pulled forty to fifty cards from them. It was nice meeting Sam Majors and I did buy a few cards from Steve Sabow and Mitch’s table. Steve never stopped rearranging. Too much under the table and not enough on the table but still nice to see their stuff. They had a real nice complete box of R120 Remember Pearl Harbor.

One semi-regret from the day was my decision to not get the VIP ticket (I might have been able to go to the preview Wednesday night for the four hours the show was open to VIPs). This is because as I walked around would either see a few Allies in Action or ask those with vintage cards if they had any Allies in Action I was consistently met with the response “Marty picked them over/up yesterday night.” Literally I heard this three or four times. Had I been there the night before I might have been able to knock one or two off my list. I would have liked to have met Marty. I have had several trades/deals with him but I never ran into him. Likely because I had my head down the entire time.

After making it once around I headed to the PSA booth to drop off a few cards that I brought to get graded. I ran into Dave Lemon who was doing the same thing so I got to spend ninety minutes talking with Dave while waiting for the line to move. No one is more enthusiastic about non-sports cards than Dave. He had a great group of cards with him as per his usual high standards. I brought the cards to drop off as it seemed as though it would be the convenient thing to do but I lost a ton of time here. I have no idea what was going on with some of the submitters but one of the guys was at the table for what must have been a complete hour. I think they were letting people sit and fill out the paperwork once they got to the head of the line. It was a killer. I did ask why they no longer put the ACC reference number on the flips for non-sports cards. The guy working with me didn’t know. They are so careful to always put “T206” on any flip and in my mind the ACC number is no less important for any other card set but I never see them do it any longer. I requested that they put it on my submission’s flips; he made a note. We shall see.

After leaving PSA I was really short on time to do much more looking. I met up with Moderator Tom for a quick card/cash exchange before rushing off looking for a few diamonds in the rough. Other than a few way overpriced R89 Mickey Mouse cards with severe back damage at three or four tables I wasn’t able to add any pickups to my bag. Early on I ran across a sports guy with five R79 Leader Discs. I got excited as I’m working on this set and they are pretty tough. I asked to see them and asked how much. I was a little taken aback he the guy says “$450 each.” I don’t remember what I said but I know that it wasn’t “I’ll take them!” Weirdly the guy thought that they were Seal Crafts and mentioned that there were 240 in a set. I corrected him and said that there are likely only fifty-six. He took a picture of my want list as I have all known numbers documented there. I think in general sports guys don’t know vintage non-sports well and are so afraid to lose out on a penny that they price things outrageously so that they couldn’t possibly lose out on a penny. Sure R79s are rare but not $450 rare. Maybe slide that decimal place over one digit. I saw more R89 Mickey’s than anything else at sports tables and 99% of them were F-P with severe back damage. $25-50 was the normal pricing on them.

Shout out to my “local” store The Indy Card Exchange who were there for the first time. I was wearing their shirt which they provided free (they are my kind of guys)! They don’t have vintage non-sports but I get all of my supplies there. Great guys and glad to see them there.

I completed three sets but started at least three more. Ha a great time and hope to attend, and to have more time, in Cleveland next year.
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Joined: January 13th, 2013, 2:35 am

August 2nd, 2017, 4:50 am #18

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Thanks for the report Daniel. I agree that there wasn't much for us in Chicago, especially if you're a slabhead like me. It was nice talking to Steve and Mitch, and I did finally get to meet Tom Ryan of N224 fame. Talking to Dave Lemon is always fun as he is so enthusiastic about Non-Sports. Dave received several awards from PSA for his outstanding sets.. here he is with PSA's Joe Orlando:





Then Dave and I took a selfie:





I didn't win any PSA awards, but a friend of mine won an expensive bottle of Jack Daniels in a raffle. He had already left for home, so he asked me to pick it up for him. I had to take a photo with the waitress at the Hilton bar and Jack D. himself:


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Joined: September 19th, 2006, 3:37 pm

August 2nd, 2017, 12:42 pm #19

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Daniel.........that guy has had those Leader Novelty discs for about 10+ years. I've seen the same ones in his case forever. I could even see upwards of $100 but $450? Crazy. They're significantly tougher than Seal Crafts but that pricing is ridiculous.

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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 12:23 am

August 2nd, 2017, 10:20 pm #20

Just curious how the non-sport sector is represented at the big show? Member pickups, what's hot? What's pricey? If anyone crosses paths with a decent N76 Lincoln plmk. Any other members have a "keep an eye out" for those in attendance?
Hilariously I ended up with the bottle of JD as I checked a bag back to NY and got the handoff from Frank. Don't despair for Frank though, he had a whale of a show! I got in at noon Thursday but missed Marty and Tom (Tom, when did you leave?). I chatted for a bit with Lucky Larry Tipton on Saturday as well-he was having quite a show. I picked up about 50 Topps types from Bob Marcy and maybe a dozen from other sources. NS pickings were slimmer than normal, possibly because there were almost 20% less tables/booths than the last time in Chicago. Why they had all that wasted space in back is beyond me.

If you count from 1948-80, sports and non-sports, Topps issued about 1100 different sets (or things, if you will) in retail packs, counting inserts and test retail packs and Fun Packs. Of those approximately 1100 I am around 72% complete. For NS alone, with roughly 625 sets, my completion ratio is about 70%. Getting there....
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