eBay buyers beware of this seller

eBay buyers beware of this seller

Joined: June 3rd, 2010, 1:35 pm

August 30th, 2017, 11:21 pm #1

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
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Joined: June 3rd, 2010, 1:35 pm

August 31st, 2017, 12:38 am #2

Almost immediately upon my contacting the seller, he responded: "As stated in the auction, I did not have these graded or authenticated, So these were being sold as pictured as repops stated in the auction description."

I am not sure what he means by "repops" and in any case the listing does not say "repops", "repros" or anything else than "the Holy Grail of this set" and that they are "1938 cards".

Oh well.... We'll wait to see what eBay does. I've had pretty good success with ebay resolving inadequately described (fake) items in favor of the buyer and giving a refund, but they have been generally low value items.
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Joined: March 28th, 2017, 1:57 am

August 31st, 2017, 2:20 am #3

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
As it appears this evening (~2200 EDT), the listing does state, at the very, very bottom:

Some of our items are originals and others may be reproductions. We are not experts in all fields so unless we state for sure the originality we can not vouch authenticity so these are being sold as repops.

The seller might wiggle away on this one if that statement was part of the original listing.
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Joined: June 27th, 2006, 2:51 pm

August 31st, 2017, 3:39 am #4

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
They say "1938" and they are not. If they were reprints from 1938 then he has a point. But they are recent reprints, therefore "not as described".
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Joined: August 6th, 2017, 11:57 am

September 2nd, 2017, 12:14 pm #5

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
I recently had a similar issue with some 1933 Goudey baseball cards. The listing was misleading and nowhere mentioned reprint. Seller responded much like yours did and refused a refund. I opened a case and about 4 days later eBay closed in favor of seller. I called to appeal and after speaking with someone and explaining my side, was given a refund and the case reversed within 5 minutes.

So my advice is keep pushing for refund and if you're lucky when you call eBay you'll get Danielle, who was the rep I got. Good luck.
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Joined: March 20th, 2016, 8:14 pm

September 4th, 2017, 1:24 am #6

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
As a longtime Ebay buyer since 1998, and a buyer of non-sports on Ebay since 2005, here's what I learned...

CARDS - I purchase better-looking raw cards of sets that I am interested in for submission to PSA for hopefully upgrading my registry sets. For the most part average cards are never a problem, but higher-demand cards force you to be extra careful.

One of the sets that I collect is "Star Wars" (Topps 1977) and there are some specific raw singles that I've purchased on EBay which almost inevitably come back as trimmed or otherwise altered. For me it happened to card numbers 67, 70 and 132 especially, but also some of the more difficult red numbers to obtain in higher grade (those that are Pop 5 and lower in terms of Gem Mint 10 specimens in the registry).

Card 132 is one of the few in this 330 card set that has yet to be graded even once in PSA 10 condition, so when you see an apparent well-centered raw single with sharp edges, no creases and no stains up for "Buy it Now" at $1.99 or a few dollars more, it should say ""Buyer Beware" instead !!

Same for, surprisingly, "Space 1999" cards 1 thru 6. On more than one occasion I have purchased a raw single off Ebay which came back with a grade indicating trimming. The first six cards of this set are notorious for appearing as though they were cut with a butter knife off the sheet, and as cheap as these cards are compared to "Star Wars", some sellers still resort to such tactics for resale purposes.

Bottom line is to be very careful when making a purchase. Ironically I've never really had problems with purchases from sellers in "The Wrapper" where pics are generally not available. That's where the more reputable sellers tend to be.

PACKS AND UNOPENED BOXES - ever since modern sets had cards that were so much higher in value than the rest of the set, whether in sports or non-sports, vintage pack-collecting has been a very risky proposition. I have purchased for some of the more expensive sets that I collect both packs and boxes and both have had their share of problems.

1st - a collector or dealer might purchase an unopened box of, say, 24 or 36 packs, then open a few (up to 4) and if they all are clunkers the seller can assume that the rest are as well, then purchase four more unopened packs and re-sell the "unopened" box in its entirety even though it is a veritable lemon.

2nd - I've encountered instances where it was clear to me that the "unopened" box and packs were cherry-picked. Cards in the center of a 5-card pack having creases, for example, is one way to tell. Curiously disparate distributions where key numbers seem to be universally missing is another possible way to tell...not guaranteed, but definitely reason to assume.

3rd - with the right equipment, and not that much cash, the most disreputable sellers will create an "unopened box". Here's how, and I'll use the very hot set "Star Trek" (Topps 1976) as an example...

-> Unopened boxes in recent years have been offered for as high as $12K, and have sold, definitively, for as much as $7,500. Ths is because PSA "POp 1" cards can command prices up to the $4K mark and beyond while even "Pop 4" cards have been selling for $1-2K.

-> There are 36 packs of 5 cards (180 cards) and 36 stickers in an unopened box
-> You can purchase two (2) mid-grade sets for as little as $75-100 each, and 4 more singles for another $8 or so
-> Low-mid grade stickers, as the set is commonly plagued by roller marks and poor centering never mind gum stains and dings, can be purchased or as little as $50-60 for 36 singles
-> Bunches of decent wrappers can be purchased if need be for another $40-80 depending on the seller
-> Empty boxes trade for anywhere from $20-50 depending on condition
-> Buy a 1976-1978 range box with similar sized gum on the cheap for $20-25 of some godawful set like "Here's Bo"

-> All in all, an "investment" of $325-425 coupled with some careful time in re-folding and re-sealing the wax wrappers will create an "unopened box"

I have no doubt that this cheesy tactic has been attempted with respect to this set and likely others.

4th - worst of all are the sellers of "sealed" unopened boxes who steadfastly refuse to unseal the box to show you the contents. Now, there are two forms of the box being sealed..."BBCE" sealing which is an organization that seals the box with their own proprietary wrapping, and then generic heat-sealed wrappings around boxes. You are throwing money away at these if the seller balks at unsealing. There is no logical reason not to do so if the intent is resale. Best to avoid.

Collectors of those bagged "Death of Superman" comics might remember this lesson well. The content was supposed to be the same issue sold in mass quantities where the "Superman" character died, yet it was enclosed and heat-sealed in a protective bag with a black front and "S" logo on it, yet you could in no way verify the contents. Imagine your surprise opening it years down the line and seeing a comparatively worthless issue stored inside all that time. So best to avoid such purchases entirely.

I understand why some collectors like collecting "unopened packs", I certainly do, as well as why some choose to buy packs and boxes and open them for the purpose of upgrading their registry set, or just to take a chance at submission to PSA and doubling their investment or more. But there is definitely a "buyer beware" aspect to this side of our hobby that cannot be ignored, just as there is when buying desirable raw singles with prices that seem too good to be true.

Not every seller is disreputable, and more likely less than 2% fall into this category, and maybe even less than 1%...but they do exist and have been a thorn in the hooby for many years, and will be for years to come, I am sure.

And with printing technology improving with each passing year, it can get even worse. The following Ebay auction is clearly a reprint, but just take a look at the "Batman" Black Bat card number 1 in Ebay auction 182707496494 and see what I mean. Had this seller NOT intentionally included the reprint info on this card, it would likely grade Gem Mint 10 with PSA. There have been many reprint sets made over the years..."Superman" (1940), "Horrors of War" and many others...but in all cases the printer did the right thing and included the reprint caveat on the card. I dread the day where one day someone tries this same tactic using the right equipment and does not.
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Joined: December 28th, 2007, 5:05 pm

September 17th, 2017, 2:38 pm #7

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
Similar listing?

eBay item # 132332164672 which is active now.
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Joined: April 6th, 2009, 12:17 am

September 17th, 2017, 4:52 pm #8

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
Daniel- I tried to go to see the item you listed. Could not find it until someone at ebay told me to go to the completed listings. It had sold within an hour after listing. I took a look at it and the bottom has, in my opinion, obviously been trimmed. Whoever did it does not have a paper cutter available as the cut on the left side seems to have curve to it.
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Joined: December 28th, 2007, 5:05 pm

September 17th, 2017, 6:09 pm #9

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
Ah, then the seller pulled the listing. I had notified the seller that the card was a trimmed reprint this morning. This is encouraging; maybe people aren't the worst after all.
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Joined: November 8th, 2006, 12:45 am

September 17th, 2017, 8:08 pm #10

Took a chance on the three Hitler cards offered by seller therealjunker57 in eBay item 132254645054. Cards appeared to be trimmed in the listing photos and upon receipt I compared them to my 1984 WTW reprint set. I guess, not so surprisingly, the trimming by pure happenstance I'm sure, managed to take off just the right amount of the card where WTW reprint wording would have been, and the cards had the same "surface feel" - kinda waxy - that the WTW cards have, not the 1930's cardboard feel of the original Horrors of War cards. Refund requested and seller reported to eBay. Will update this posting when the case is resolved. My recommendation - stay away from this guy!!!
Daniel, card was sold with a BIN this morning. They have sold 6 Hitler cards in the last 4 weeks.
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