Davy Crockett orange back cards

Davy Crockett orange back cards

Joined: March 15th, 2011, 5:18 pm

May 19th, 2017, 6:10 pm #1

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Joined: January 13th, 2013, 2:35 am

May 19th, 2017, 8:19 pm #2

Ken, to my knowledge, there are three different Crockett backs. I would call the #5 back "gray", the #80 back "tan" and the others "white". The "whites" seem a bit glossy. I've read that the "tans" or "whites" may come from Canada, but I've never seen any solid evidence of that. Our own David Hornish's excellent Topps Guide (much better than NSB for Topps cards) states that back variations reflect a later print run.

Bottom line: three different backs, but no premium in price for "white" or "tan".
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Joined: May 2nd, 2008, 4:35 am

May 19th, 2017, 8:27 pm #3

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Hi Ken, long time...

What you call "bright orange" I always called them " cream" or "Orange cream backs" .

For sure makes the Orange pop out.

I'm no DC expert but I have gone through tons of these crockett cards over time and the "cream" or "bright orange" type seem harder to come across...I had a a good run of them and at 1 time was going to attempt an entire set in addition to the 2 sets I had...never happened...I since sold all of the "cream" ones on ebay a few years back.

Heck, I'm not even sure if the entire set can be had in "cream" / " bright orange".??

I recall a fellow board member was a buyer as well as another known collector dealer....so I do know there is an interest in this variation......but the prices realized were a little more but not really premium ..which leads me to believe they are scarce but not rare.

Just my personal experience.


I think BB is the man to ask.
(opens door for the King of the '50's )




CR


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Joined: May 2nd, 2008, 4:35 am

May 19th, 2017, 8:31 pm #4

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Well, it looks as though Frank beat me to the punch as I was responding.

I would think Frank & Bill would be the final authority on this set. Did not know of the Later print run via Dave H works.

Learn something new everyday!


CR



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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 12:23 am

May 19th, 2017, 10:39 pm #5

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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The brighter the stock, the earlier the run in many cases. I think Topps used "dingier" (i.e. cheaper") stock as a series went on for many vintage sets. You can see it in so many Topps sets, where some cards look clean with bright white areas on their backs while others look horribly toned; it's usually due to two grades of stock being used. Sometimes it would be random, dependent upon the printer's available stock
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Joined: September 16th, 2007, 6:34 am

May 19th, 2017, 11:07 pm #6

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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I have been trying to put all 3 coloured ( English spelling from an Englishman)sets together for ever, slowed right down these last few years but picking away at them.
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Joined: February 28th, 2017, 6:34 am

May 19th, 2017, 11:29 pm #7

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Doesn't look like the card stock is a factor for the white backs.

I think it is more likely that they changed to a brighter (or duller) orange ink partway through the print run.
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May 20th, 2017, 3:15 pm #8

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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I had to go back and look at my notes-definitely have gray coming first. Generally, my experience is that the cards with brilliant whites still on the back were printed on a better stock but looking at your bottom three examples it looks like the toning is only on the borders and the text box is a lot whiter. Is that right or is it just how the scans came out? I want to see if any of my other Topps cards of the 50's do this, might have to rethink things a bit if they do. When I did the book I tried to make sure I could find at least two different sources and see I had referred to Wrappers #186 and 187 in my research, among other resources, so it may be worth revisiting the Crockett articles in those issues.

I've noticed the toning issue on quite a few of their baseball sets. I'm going thru my 67's right now to make an upgrade checklist for the National and the toned stock on some is very noticeable. I first noticed this on the 1951 Red Backs and it's intrigued me since.

I have a print order from Topps for the early 70's and it shows Topps supplied the stock to Zabel Brothers for printing:http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/searc ... hographers

So it's not the printer but Topps supplying the cardboard. I'm getting old, I can't always keep this stuff straight anymore........ ....it is interesting how much things can vary in one series of one set.

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Joined: April 6th, 2009, 12:17 am

May 20th, 2017, 5:32 pm #9

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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I do not know if anyone has noticed but there is a set of these cards on PSA, number 17 on their list, which is called the only orange/tan back set on the PSA list.

A few months ago I was speaking with someone about the different backs. As we spoke on the phone he had me go to a lot of the DCOB cards that was on ebay. The seller has also posted the backs, so these cards were used to give me a 15 minute lesson the DCOB cards printings. The lot included cards of all three types and with coaching, I was able to pick out the different types although the backs were a little fuzzy and sometimes gray and tan are hard to distinguish.

The gentleman I was talking to said that his information was that the first printing of the cards, about 80% of the run, were on the gray paper. The second printing, about 15% of what is available, were printed on tan stock. The last cards were the white back and they came out so late that he heard that much of the run never was sent out. It is an interesting story and seems to fit what has been said previously in this thread. Who knows?
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Joined: January 13th, 2013, 2:35 am

May 20th, 2017, 6:23 pm #10

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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That account is interesting and seems logical.

In terms of PSA graded sets, Tony Cino owns that supposed "tan" back Registry set. AND note that PSA does not distinguish Orange back variations when they slab them.
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