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Paul Green
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21 Mar 2008, 20:12 #1

Has anyone actually seen Gary Cooper as the Virginian? It's considered to be the best film version.
"High Noon" is considered a classic Western but it's hard to believe an entire town would turn cowardly when faced with a few gunslingers. I know Republicans such as John Wayne hated the movie because it showed Americans to be cowards. Given the heroics of Americans during 911 I tend to agree with him. They didn't turn and run but went down with the twin towers. In the "High Noon" version the fire crew would have stayed in their fire stations afraid to confront the enemy.
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jed
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22 Mar 2008, 23:49 #2

I've never seen the Cooper version of The V, only the Joel McCrea one with Sonny Tufts, later to play Frank Trampas, as Steve. Doug, Robert Fuller and Chuck Courtney are supposed to have appeared as extras in Coop's 1956 movie, Friendly Persuasion, but I couldn't spot them last time it was on.
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22 Mar 2008, 23:55 #3

I meant to say that the Shiloh boys found themselves in kind of "High Noon" situations at times, in Gary Cooper's shoes or should I say boots, for instance The V in A Small Taste of Justice.
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30 Apr 2008, 12:45 #4

In the course of 249 episodes I'm certain "The Virginian" must have used every Western plot in the book. It must have been difficult coming up with new approaches. At the end of the day it's the characterizations that count. We have to care about the lead characters.
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30 Apr 2008, 12:57 #5

Paul Green @ Mar 21 2008, 08:12 PM wrote: Has anyone actually seen Gary Cooper as the Virginian? It's considered to be the best film version.
"High Noon" is considered a classic Western but it's hard to believe an entire town would turn cowardly when faced with a few gunslingers. I know Republicans such as John Wayne hated the movie because it showed Americans to be cowards. Given the heroics of Americans during 911 I tend to agree with him. They didn't turn and run but went down with the twin towers. In the "High Noon" version the fire crew would have stayed in their fire stations afraid to confront the enemy.
Paul, I am not sure of the authenticity of the 1956 film High Noon. I have read a bit about the OK Coral and the Kevin Costner film Wyatt Earp is the closest to the truth about that day. It is true that Wyatt Earp never got shot during his time as a lawman but he did a lot of other things.

It is a coincidence that we have been talking about the Gary Cooper version of The Virginian on the other group. I haven't seen it but it sounds like the closest to the book and I have seen shots of Gary Cooper in the film. He uses a southern accent which none of the other actors who played the V have done. The Bill Pulman version was reasonably close to the book but left out the humour and I thought Pulman was unsuitable as the Virginian. Still I did like the film. I think the problem with the other films is they reflect the period they were made with clothing and the women's hair etc. I thought the 40s version very 40s and it looks like the Cooper version is very 30s. At least the 2000 version had more authenticity in the clothing and dialogue. But I would like to see the Cooper version some time.

Jenette
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30 Apr 2008, 13:05 #6

Yes living in Virginia I'm aware of the distinctive Virginian accent Jenette. More pronounced and difficult to understand in the rural areas. It is a weakness of the TV show that the Virginian lacks any pronounced trace of an authentic Virginia accent. I noticed Jim did use an accent in the b/w Columbia pilot.
I also didn't care for Bill Pullman. I didn't care for the movie which I found gloomy and slow paced. I feel a certain type of Western places more emphasis on authentic clothing than well paced stories. The story is paramount. Otherwise we're just watching a fashion parade.
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30 Apr 2008, 23:33 #7

Paul, I think it is all down to personal taste. I have always preferred authenticity when films are based in the past and not just with clothing. I want to feel a part of that time while I am watching. The vernacular the scenery and hopefully a pretty truthful approach but of course with some artistic license. I read a lot and get frustrated when films don't follow the books but realise that you can only get so much in 90-100 mins. I am quite happy for a story to meander for a while and character build. Assassination of Jesse James did that and whilst I felt it was maybe half hour too long the performances kept me interested. I have watched films for one performance and enjoyed that. I like to be challenged and surprised and I guess I am quite critical.

I last dvd I watched was 'No Country for Old Men'. Now there was a challenging film. However not everyone's cup of tea. But as I said in the beginning of this post. Our tastes are all different.

Jenette
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Paul Green
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04 May 2008, 20:12 #8

I agree film is a limited medium. Practically no film does service to the original novel. A novel has more time to build character and atmosphere and explore the psychology of relationships etc. Most films skim the surface in comparison. I think films work best if you haven't read the novel and you enjoy the film on its own merits and within its own boundaries.
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