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August 6th, 2018, 7:23 pm #31

Jelsemium wrote:My last full-time job ended with security escorting me off the premises. Not because I stole something, that's just the way layoffs are handled at that company.
-That's becoming a pretty standard way of doing it these days, simply because there's a significant likelihood that the dismissed party can literally sabotage something.

Change passwords to crucial documents, email clients from "official" emails to quash deals or cause problems, and so on, all the way down to the usual stealing office supplies, or walking off with a company-issued laptop or cell phone or whatever.

No, not everyone does it, and in fact it's likely only a very few would, if the situation arose. But the chance that something as small as a changed password, which could cripple a company at a crucial time, has to be guarded against.

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August 6th, 2018, 7:54 pm #32

Jelsemium wrote: Wow, that's way more than I was ever offered! My last full-time job ended with security escorting me off the premises. Not because I stole something, that's just the way layoffs are handled at that company.
My last job departure (mostly retirement) involved about 5 hours of debrief and a whole lot of paperwork saying that I couldn't talk publicly about anything until 2046.  I should last so long.
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August 6th, 2018, 8:00 pm #33

rkepler wrote:
Jelsemium wrote: Wow, that's way more than I was ever offered! My last full-time job ended with security escorting me off the premises. Not because I stole something, that's just the way layoffs are handled at that company.
My last job departure (mostly retirement) involved about 5 hours of debrief and a whole lot of paperwork saying that I couldn't talk publicly about anything until 2046.  I should last so long.
What did you do?  You can tell us.  This is a private talkboard...
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August 6th, 2018, 8:37 pm #34

DocsMachine wrote: -That's becoming a pretty standard way of doing it these days, simply because there's a significant likelihood that the dismissed party can literally sabotage something.
My last company had a nice layout for doing both hiring and layoffs. It was a defense supplier (not arms, unfortunately), so there was a significant security presence in the lobby. To get past them, even as an employee, you had to present your ID at the guard desk, and if you were carrying anything you had to let them inspect it. If you weren't an employee you had to tell them who your contact was, and they'd call the person to come down and sign you in.

But the HR office entrance was outside the security line so people coming in for interviews didn't have to jump through as many hoops. And anyone being let go was escorted down to HR by a manager, so there was no opportunity to trash the network or lift a stapler. HR was firewalled pretty well from the rest of the office. You'd turn in your badge, get your exit paperwork and an admonition to keepa you mout' shut, and walked to the front door.
 
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August 7th, 2018, 8:00 pm #35

Software of a type that required TS/SCI and SAP read-in on a per-project basis.  So each project needed a separate debrief and set of paperwork.  I kind of felt bad leaving seeing as how hard it was to get and keep developers - interns were often lost to drug testing (What?  Marijuana isn't legal in the Federal system?) and really the pay wasn't capable of overcoming some of the environmental issues in working in a SCF.  Having to use my access card and PIN coming back from a coffee trip with my hands full was always a PITA.  

I think the final trigger for me was when I was going to have to become a document classifier so I could send email on the classified network (docs with classification have to have each paragraph marked by it's classification, and that's often controlled by keywords but still has to be done by hand) - nope, that'd force most design conversations onto the phone and remove any chance of documenting them even in email.  I was ready to retire and so I pulled the trigger.  

I still do some work for a former employer.  It turns out that TS cleared programmers with skills in multidimensional A* graph analysis are a little uncommon so they keep me doing part time work maintaining the GUI (which I'm also good at) in case it comes up.  
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August 7th, 2018, 8:13 pm #36

Welsh Rat wrote:What did you do?  You can tell us.  This is a private talkboard...
Sorry, I was replying to the above and managed to edit it out of the reply.  Now I can't find a way to edit my reply to put it back in...
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August 7th, 2018, 8:46 pm #37

rkepler wrote:
Welsh Rat wrote:What did you do?  You can tell us.  This is a private talkboard...
Sorry, I was replying to the above and managed to edit it out of the reply.  Now I can't find a way to edit my reply to put it back in...
Then just throw out the attempt and start over.  Go back to the post you were replying to and Reply to it again. :🤔

And standard admonition, you can be vague about the details if you don't want a visit from the local MIB Squad. We understand how that goes, some of us didn't have access to anything high level but AFAIK there is no statute on the Federal Security Of Communications Act. Forever is a long time. And if it's sensitive enough they can always find an obscure law that is similarly "forever".
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August 7th, 2018, 9:27 pm #38

BruceBergman wrote:And standard admonition, you can be vague about the details if you don't want a visit from the local MIB Squad. 
Ah, the 'mammals in Black'.   As not seen in part five of the curtailed comic when Precocious invaded.  http://www.curtailedcomic.com/comic/pre ... uestcomic/  (Four 'episodes' on)
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August 7th, 2018, 9:44 pm #39

While I'll let out some details about what I do for [RedactedCo], I definitely don't mention the name. Partly, it's not due to a NDA or Top Secret stuff, but more to protect my privacy, and my employer's privacy. (and yeah, the pittance that is called my paycheck.😺 )

I may have gone far enough to mention (pre-migration) the industry I work in, though.
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August 7th, 2018, 10:51 pm #40

Jelsemium wrote:
DocsMachine wrote: That's so cute you think that Doc would have a retirement package. 😁

Like anyone would make it all the way to retirement. His retirement package is a free dustpan and a small box to store the remains in. 😁

Doc.
Wow, that's way more than I was ever offered! My last full-time job ended with security escorting me off the premises. Not because I stole something, that's just the way layoffs are handled at that company.
Same with my wife.  Her job ended on a Friday afternoon, and she was told to call Monday to set up an appointment with Security so she could go in and clean out her desk.
REUNITE GONDWANALAND!
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