The Ottoman/Turkish Artillery inventory, 1900-1945

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November 5th, 2006, 12:15 pm #1

A new and ambitious project on The Overvalwagen Forum. Let's try and organize the existing info and collect numbers and fotos of Turkish artillery weapons in the first half of the 20th century. I will lock the Turkish artillery thread as it is getting to big and clumsy.

The new thread can be divided in the following subthreads:

- mountain guns/howitzers
- field guns 75mm range
- field guns/howitzer 105mm range
- 12 cm range
- guns/hows 15cm range
- aa weapons
- at weapons
- naval weapons

A chapter per week?

Comments here.

Sources are various, but this forum as well as the Axishistory Forum are great sources of info. Especially Adopheit and Tosun Saral:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=109530
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November 5th, 2006, 12:35 pm #2

First the numbers and year of entry with Ottoman/Turkish forces:

In service at turn of the century were:

? pieces 7.5cm Gebirgskanone M 1873
? pieces 7cm Gebirgsgeschütz M 1890

Bought before WW1 were:

146 pieces 7.5cm Gebirgskanone L/14 Krupp M 05, 1905 (92 left by 1914)
4 pieces 7.5cm Gebirgskanone L/16 Rheinmetall M 10, 1910
108 pieces 7.5cm Gebirgskanone L/16.7 Schneider M.P.D., 1911

Delivered by the Central Powers during WW1 were:

18 pieces 7,5cm-Gebirgsgeschütz M 1914 L/16 Rheinmetall
28 pieces 7,7cm Gebirgskanone M 1915 L/17 Rheinmetall
8 pieces 10,5cm-Gebirgshaubitze L/12 Krupp
144 pieces 7,5cm M. 15 Gebirgskanone Skoda
20 pieces 7cm M. 99 Gebirgskanone Skoda
40 pieces 10.5cm M. 16 Gebirgshaubitze Skoda

Acquired after WW1 (including captured weapons) were:
? 10,5cm M16/19 Gebirgshaubitze Skoda (modified M16s)
? 75mm Bofors Mountain guns, 232 ordered 1928/32, partly delivered after WW2
See: http://www.tfd.chalmers.se/~m95perm/vap ... kanon.html

Let's add pictures of the guns in Turkish service below here:

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November 5th, 2006, 12:49 pm #3

The Gebirgskanone 75mm L14 M05:



The Rheinmetall 77mm L17 Gebirgskanone M15 (Some Skodas in the background):


The Schneider 75mm:


The Skoda 75mm:





The Krupp 10,5cm L12:



The Skoda 10cm:
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November 11th, 2006, 10:50 am #4

A new and ambitious project on The Overvalwagen Forum. Let's try and organize the existing info and collect numbers and fotos of Turkish artillery weapons in the first half of the 20th century. I will lock the Turkish artillery thread as it is getting to big and clumsy.

The new thread can be divided in the following subthreads:

- mountain guns/howitzers
- field guns 75mm range
- field guns/howitzer 105mm range
- 12 cm range
- guns/hows 15cm range
- aa weapons
- at weapons
- naval weapons

A chapter per week?

Comments here.

Sources are various, but this forum as well as the Axishistory Forum are great sources of info. Especially Adopheit and Tosun Saral:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=109530
In service around 1900 were:

?? pieces 7.5cm Feldkanone L/27 Krupp M 1873
?? pieces 87mm Feldkanone L/24 Krupp M 1873

Acquired before WW1 were:

648 pieces 7.5cm Feldkanone L/30 Krupp M 04 (1903-1907, just 344 remaining by 1914, rest lost during Balkan Wars)
88 pieces 7.5cm Feldkanone L/30 Krupp M 10 plus
40 pieces of a lighter model for horse artillery, M11 - some sources state these two guns were 76,2mm cal
52 Schneider 75mm L31 M12 field guns (confiscated batch of Serbian order to France)

Delivered by the Central Powers during WW1 were:

?? pieces 7.7cm Feldkanone 96 n/A L/27 Krupp and Ehrhardt
?? pieces 7.7cm Feldkanone 16 L/35 Rheinmetall

Acquired after 1918 were (including captured weapons):

Many Russian and British guns and some French guns were captured: some of them were used by Turkish Army.

I have no proof of light field guns commercially acquired in the 1918-45 period. There were probably loads of surviving guns from WW1.

But Turkey apparently acquired a large number of 75mm field guns with the help of Rheinmetall and Gutehoffnugshuette in Germany. This probably came down to rebuilding the old Krupp 75mm with a new open carriage and a new longer barrel, much after a design by HIH Siderius: the 75mm L35 field gun:


Production/conversion started probably around 1939 and there was a strong role for Turkey's artillery factory AF.
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November 15th, 2006, 8:03 pm #5

The pre-WW1 Krupp 75mm range, M04, M10, M11.
From Kosar:

From the web:





From The Edge on AXH forums:

From Hogg and Bachelor:


Please feed me back as it is hard for me to say which one is the M04 and which the M10/11...

Then the WW1 type Krupps:

7,7cm Feldkanone 16:


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November 17th, 2006, 6:54 pm #6

A new and ambitious project on The Overvalwagen Forum. Let's try and organize the existing info and collect numbers and fotos of Turkish artillery weapons in the first half of the 20th century. I will lock the Turkish artillery thread as it is getting to big and clumsy.

The new thread can be divided in the following subthreads:

- mountain guns/howitzers
- field guns 75mm range
- field guns/howitzer 105mm range
- 12 cm range
- guns/hows 15cm range
- aa weapons
- at weapons
- naval weapons

A chapter per week?

Comments here.

Sources are various, but this forum as well as the Axishistory Forum are great sources of info. Especially Adopheit and Tosun Saral:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=109530
In service at the turn of the century were:

No info.

Bought before WW1:

10.5cm Krupp Belagerungskanone L30, 1905-1908 (18 guns)

Delivered during WW1 by the Central Powers were

10.5cm leichte Feldhaubitze 98/09 L16 Krupp
10.5cm leichte Feldhaubitze 16 L22 Rheinmetall

Captured were:

No info.

Acquired in the Interwar period were:

32 105mm HIH howitzers (rebored 18pdrs), around 1930, horsedrawn, limbered,
56 105mm L30 Rheinmetall howitzers (mid 30s), 11 still in service with historical reneactment unit, horsedrawn, limbered, 1 in Istanbul museum.
??? 105mm L52 Krupp/Rheinmetall Feldkanone M18 (9 still left by the 1990s), delivered when?
??? 105mm L20 Schneider Canon Court mle 1934, when delivered?

There were also a number of howitzers probably of 105mm calibre that seem to combine the Rheinmetall l28 gun on a boxtrail carriage, a Turkish product, just like the 75mm field gun?



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November 17th, 2006, 7:18 pm #7

The Feldkanone 105mm L30 (Belagerungskanone), only customer was Turkey, from Kosar:


The 10.5cm leichte Feldhaubitze 98/09 L/16 Krupp:




Borrowed from the landships site, that last one.

The Rheinmetall 105mm lFh16:



Second one from Ralhp Lovett

The HIH 105mm howitzer 1930:



The Rheinmetall 105mm L30:





The Schneider Canon Court (courtesy Tosun Saral):






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December 10th, 2006, 4:39 pm #8

A new and ambitious project on The Overvalwagen Forum. Let's try and organize the existing info and collect numbers and fotos of Turkish artillery weapons in the first half of the 20th century. I will lock the Turkish artillery thread as it is getting to big and clumsy.

The new thread can be divided in the following subthreads:

- mountain guns/howitzers
- field guns 75mm range
- field guns/howitzer 105mm range
- 12 cm range
- guns/hows 15cm range
- aa weapons
- at weapons
- naval weapons

A chapter per week?

Comments here.

Sources are various, but this forum as well as the Axishistory Forum are great sources of info. Especially Adopheit and Tosun Saral:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=109530
A still hazy chapter. This is what I have from the various internet discussions:

In service at turn of the century were:

? pieces Skoda 12cm K88
? pieces 1890 12cm Baquet
72 pieces 1892 12 cm L12 Krupp
? pieces 1895 12cm Krupp

Bought before WW1 were:

? pieces 12cm Krupp Feldhaubitze M04 (or M03?)

Delivered by the Central Powers during WW1 were:

no info

Acquired after WW1 (including captured weapons) were:

? pieces Krupp 122mm 1909 (from Russia)
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December 10th, 2006, 4:44 pm #9

Just one so far: a Krupp 120mm howitzer at Istanbul Army Museum:
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December 12th, 2006, 11:01 am #10

A still hazy chapter. This is what I have from the various internet discussions:

In service at turn of the century were:

? pieces Skoda 12cm K88
? pieces 1890 12cm Baquet
72 pieces 1892 12 cm L12 Krupp
? pieces 1895 12cm Krupp

Bought before WW1 were:

? pieces 12cm Krupp Feldhaubitze M04 (or M03?)

Delivered by the Central Powers during WW1 were:

no info

Acquired after WW1 (including captured weapons) were:

? pieces Krupp 122mm 1909 (from Russia)
Hi, this is my modest contribution to 12cm Turkish guns chapter (Krupp M1891 model with L/11.2 barrel)



Both pictures are taken in Belgrade Military Museum this year.
(I haven't taken a photo of breech markings, but "1891" is stamped for sure)

Another photo (with Bulgarian soldiers) http://forum.boinaslava.net/attachment. ... entid=4111

From this exellent topic: http://forum.boinaslava.net/showthread. ... 610&page=1 (with data for 12cm guns & howitzers!)
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