Mysterious Thai gun

Mysterious Thai gun

Joined: March 20th, 2016, 6:51 am

April 28th, 2016, 5:19 pm #1

Hi!

Can somebody identify this gun?

According to Wiki this is "Type 41 Mountain guns display in Surasakmontree Army Camp, Lampang, Thailand, 2016". Yes, the gun is similar to Japs Type 41 (or Krupp M.08 mountain gun) but with shorter barrel of slightly different shape (I don't mention the gun shield)...

This is true Type 41 gun for comparison


Another photo of same gun

At the National Memorial, Pathum Thani, near Bankock.

and some fantastical versions...
http://landships.activeboard.com/mobile ... c=51971338

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April 29th, 2016, 4:35 am #2

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April 29th, 2016, 3:24 pm #3

The gun looks similar to "7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1914 L/16 Rheinmetall" to me but there are some differences anyway...

http://www.ammsbrisbane.com/ajax/war_tr ... _Type.html

Unfortunately I can't find any images of "7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1910 L/16 Rheinmetall" and Bofors 75mm L12...
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April 30th, 2016, 1:30 pm #4

I have found one more photo of same gun at old version of "even more Thai vehicles" topic. Unfortunately many photos are lost now but I have a lot of stuff saved so I uploaded the photo in photobucket.
A field gun "in action" on the Shan front:

The gun is quite big and looks more like to field gun than to mountain gun...
An assumption. Maybe these guns were built in Thailand (for example as "Type 63 Field gun" that we can see in some lists of Thai WW2 weapon)?



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May 1st, 2016, 2:10 pm #5

The gun looks similar to "7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1914 L/16 Rheinmetall" to me but there are some differences anyway...

http://www.ammsbrisbane.com/ajax/war_tr ... _Type.html

Unfortunately I can't find any images of "7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1910 L/16 Rheinmetall" and Bofors 75mm L12...
We may also see these guns on military parade
https://afewroundsmore.wordpress.com/20 ... n-youtube/
I already saw this film before (thanks to Nuyt) but I was unable to save video from Japs site. Now I saved it for several minutes without any problems...
Pay attention to the caption: 02:59 Ford AA trucks towing Krupp mountain guns. So, really "Krupp"? It should be a special modification for Thailand then! Can it be true?
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May 1st, 2016, 3:03 pm #6

I thought these guns have identified before as 5cm Krupp?
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May 1st, 2016, 5:23 pm #7

No! "5cm" was tiny toy in comparison with the subject! See photos of 5cm Kupp
http://www.energeticiron.com/pre-wwi-mo ... rmany.html

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May 1st, 2016, 6:09 pm #8

I thought these guns have identified before as 5cm Krupp?
The 1907 maneuvres of the 5th Army Corps, Nakhon Ratchasima:

IMHO: A small guns on the photo are 5cm Krupp...
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May 6th, 2016, 4:22 pm #9

copied from the thread at Landships:

The carriage frame is far lighter than any Rheinmetall made, it looks a lot like the one on the Japanese 75mm Type 41, which had Krupp origins.
The shield is different from anything Rheinmetall made around WW1 too.
Then the gun itself. Look at the contrast in length between the barrel and the cradle, again nothing in the Rheinmetall 75mm ranges matches this.
This is a long recoil weapon. Krupp developed several on behalf of foreign customers according to Kosars's Gebirgskanonen.
The gun does not match anything in my Kosar books.
I am still speculating that is some unknown Bofors product.
I think it is an infantry weapon and not a mountain gun/howitzer. Look at the elevation possibilities: very limited.
Is the weapon "pack"?
Does the gun have tiny equilibrators fixed outside the shield? Another typical Bofors/Krupp Interbellum feature, though I have never seen them so small.
I think the Bofors 75mm L12 infantry gun of 1934 was an upgrade of old Thai barrels, maybe fixed to the cradle of the Bofors 75mm mountain gun to give them long recoil (a trademark the Krupp men at Bofors at the time could easily have shared), with a new shield. The carriage was also used on one of the Bofors 75mm L22 versions (see Kosar's Gebirgskanonen).

From overvalwagen forum:

Swedish Guns for Siam (Thailand)
October 24 2007, 2:43 PM

Ordered 1934 delivered 1934
8 - 75 mm infantry guns L/12
8 - 75 mm cm AA guns L/50

Ordered 1934 delivered 1935
4 - 105 mm field guns L/24
32 - 75 mm/47 mm infantry guns (combination guns)

Ordered 1934 delivered 1936
8 - 150 mm field howitzers L/24

Ordered 1936 for delivery 1940
36 - 105 mm field howitzers (at least 16 were not delivered but placed under embargo by the Swedish government.

Ordered 1937 delivered 1939
10 - 75 mm AA guns L/50
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May 7th, 2016, 6:41 am #10

Thanks but on the other hand, Stellan Bojerud came to the conclusion that those 8 Bofors guns were "75mm L/20 M/1929 Mountain Guns (ex-Turkey)ordered 1934 delivered 1934". As for "L12", it was length of 75mm barrel of 75mm/47mm twin-barreled gun! Unfortunately I haven't Kosar's books and I've never seen Bofors guns with similar carriage...
BTW. Do you have any images of "7.5cm Gebirgskanone L/16 Rheinmetall M1910" (Turkey acquired a battery of these guns for testing)?

I have found the small photo of another Thai gun. The caption says that photo is dated 1929 and taken from Chulachomklao Military Academy site. I can only say that the gun has box trail carriage and could be Bofors mountain gun...
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