Japanese Fiat tank

Japanese Fiat tank

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October 5th, 2007, 7:39 pm #1

Benny Tsang sent me this picture:

Note that this is a Japanese Fiat 3000 tank with infantry escorting in China.

Anyone know the employment of Fiat 3000 mod.1921 light tank in Japanese Army ?

Benny.

Welcome back Benny!

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Taki
Taki

October 6th, 2007, 1:06 pm #2

Warlord Chang Tsolin had Fiat 3000 tanks and some of them were taken over by the Japanese after his death. They were deployed at motorcar unit of Kwantung Army and used in Manchurian Incident.

Taki

Fiat 3000 in service of Chang Tsolin Army



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Marc Koelich
Marc Koelich

October 9th, 2007, 10:31 am #3

Hi,

Does anybody have a clue about the colour scheme of General Chang Tsolin (spelling?)tanks?
In the photo of the Fiats posted above, they look dark green to me, but on photos previously posted by Benny, the Renault FT-17s had a much lighter colour, which could have been medium or light grey. Any suggestions?

Cheers!
Marc
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xingbake
xingbake

October 10th, 2007, 12:23 pm #4

Very interesting!

First time to see the Fiat 3000 in Chang Tsolin's army.

Does anyone has more information about these tanks in China?
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Benny Tsang
Benny Tsang

October 10th, 2007, 4:08 pm #5

I am very surprise in Chinese warload, Chang Tso-lin's Manchurian Army employed with Fiat-3000 light tanks ! Does anybody know how many such tanks they got and post relevant photos ?

As I know, Chinese warlord, Chang Tso-lin's Manchurian Army employed with probabaly 26 of Renault FT-17 light tanks. But most tanks were captured by Japanese Army when Japan occupied Manchuria in spring 1932.

Such tanks were different with French or Japanese FT-17. Manchurian FT-17 mount with a bulged-shield in front of the turret in two version : armed with a light machine gun (probably 'Hotchkiss pattern Portative') or a long barrel 37mm infantry gun (it seemed japanese Type-11 or Manchurian-made Type-14 infantry gun).

As the colour and marking of Manchurian FT-17, all tanks were in light one-tone colour overall, but nobody know what its exact colour is ! But all tanks marked with a pair of black-colour two-digital tactic number (such as "79","88".....) on the hull sides. And all tank mounted with a flagpole at the top of turret and with a triangle-shape red flag on that !
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nuyt
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October 10th, 2007, 7:46 pm #6

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Marc Koelich
Marc Koelich

October 11th, 2007, 1:52 pm #7

Not trying to be smarter, but, are we sure of the source of the photo showing Fiat 3000's belonging to Chang Tsolin army?
I have seen a photo of Italian Fiat 3000's showing similar large Roman numbers (IV and VI) on the turret sides. If not mistaken, the photo was dated 1937.
Marc
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Taki
Taki

October 11th, 2007, 3:57 pm #8

My source is this book.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4769811683/



The caption said as follows.

This photo shows Fiat 3000 light tanks which Manchurian warlord equipped.

Taki
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Marc Koelich
Marc Koelich

October 12th, 2007, 5:06 am #9

Hi,
looks like an interesting book, is it about Chinese armour?

here is the photo of the Italian tanks, what surprised me was that the Roman numbers were similar in shape and size to those in the photo posted above. Unfortunately, no front view of these Italian Fiats.

Looks like Photobucket now works for me:
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Taki
Taki

October 12th, 2007, 7:56 am #10

> looks like an interesting book, is it about Chinese armour?

No, it is a book about Japanese captured weapons and Japanese allies.

Taki


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