Dutch Navy Skodas!

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October 28th, 2006, 7:28 pm #1

One for The Edge!

Apparently the Dutch Navy had a number of Skoda 75mm L30 guns, bought just before WW1 (1913?). 8 pieces appear in the lists of coastal pieces in the 1930s, but no longer do so at the beginning of WW2.
Here is a picture from Verbeek, Kustversterkingen 1900-1940. The guns were used as coastal during WW1 at IJmuiden:

I think with the Navy this gun was known as the 7,5cm No 4. This type was used on the Z-class torpedoboats and some minelayers...
Here's a drawing:

Does anybody know more about these guns in Dutch service and also in general: were they used by others, like the K.u.K. Marine?

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October 30th, 2006, 8:47 pm #2

Rene Greger's book "Austro-Hungarian Warships of World War I" has a table of K.u.K. guns on pages 9-10. There is a Skoda 7.5cm L/30 AA gun, listed as being introduced in 1916 with a muzzle velocity of 600 m/s, a gun weight of 0.49 metric tons, a projectile weight of 6.0 kg and a maximum range of 6,000 meters.
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November 17th, 2006, 3:27 pm #3

I have found more references to this gun on maritiemdigitaal.nl
It was the 75mm L.30 Deckgeschütz K.12., used on board torpedoboots of the G class. Made by Koninklijke Maatschappij De Schelde, Maatschappij voor Scheeps- en Werktuigbouw Fijenoord and Skodawerke.

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May 29th, 2007, 9:20 pm #4

One for The Edge!

Apparently the Dutch Navy had a number of Skoda 75mm L30 guns, bought just before WW1 (1913?). 8 pieces appear in the lists of coastal pieces in the 1930s, but no longer do so at the beginning of WW2.
Here is a picture from Verbeek, Kustversterkingen 1900-1940. The guns were used as coastal during WW1 at IJmuiden:

I think with the Navy this gun was known as the 7,5cm No 4. This type was used on the Z-class torpedoboats and some minelayers...
Here's a drawing:

Does anybody know more about these guns in Dutch service and also in general: were they used by others, like the K.u.K. Marine?

Kind regards,
Nuyt
Sensational!

Jos has just uncovered another interesting gun in Dutch service that no one had bothered to investigate closely before. It's the 75mm Skoda AA gun acquired in 1940 by the Dutch Army. It was always named in one breath with the Dutch Vickers and Hembrug 75mm AA and though their specs were different, many (including your moderator) were always fooled into believing that the Skoda was a Vickers copy.
Well, it was not.
Here it is:


Note the three legged mount, two wheel carriage and the muzzle end. No Skoda gun was like this, at least not in the books.
Swiss and French Schneiders come close, but not all had this carriage or mount:



Now the Dutch guns were bought with Skoda in 1939/40, but they seem to have been Schneider M36 or M38 models!
Who knows more about these Skoda-Schneider weapons?
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May 29th, 2007, 9:36 pm #5

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May 30th, 2007, 6:40 pm #6

Very nice photos! According to this, only 9 were delivered of 60 pieces ordered from Skoda:

http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php? ... ap016.html

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May 30th, 2007, 6:42 pm #7

The link should have been:

http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php? ... ap007.html

Sorry!

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May 30th, 2007, 7:33 pm #8

I confess I hadn't noticed the similarity between the Dutch Skoda 7.5 tl No.2 and the Schneider weapon before. David Lehmann makes mention of a proposed antitank development of the Schneider Mle1939 with 3-legged carriage here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=92112

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June 2nd, 2007, 1:42 pm #9

Sensational!

Jos has just uncovered another interesting gun in Dutch service that no one had bothered to investigate closely before. It's the 75mm Skoda AA gun acquired in 1940 by the Dutch Army. It was always named in one breath with the Dutch Vickers and Hembrug 75mm AA and though their specs were different, many (including your moderator) were always fooled into believing that the Skoda was a Vickers copy.
Well, it was not.
Here it is:


Note the three legged mount, two wheel carriage and the muzzle end. No Skoda gun was like this, at least not in the books.
Swiss and French Schneiders come close, but not all had this carriage or mount:



Now the Dutch guns were bought with Skoda in 1939/40, but they seem to have been Schneider M36 or M38 models!
Who knows more about these Skoda-Schneider weapons?
The pepper in the sauce is of course that Schneider - as a major shareholder in and supplier of designs to Skoda of Pilsen - allowed this model 1939 gun to be built by Skoda, when that last company had come already under German control since the occupation of Bohemia.
I suppose the deal was made before september 1939, when France, Schneider's mothercountry - found itself at war with Germany.
Equally spicy is the assumption that Germany allowed Skoda to produce Schneider models for export.
In 1938-39 the Schneider-Skoda arrangements simply continued under German control?
Food for thought....
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August 30th, 2007, 9:26 am #10

I confess I hadn't noticed the similarity between the Dutch Skoda 7.5 tl No.2 and the Schneider weapon before. David Lehmann makes mention of a proposed antitank development of the Schneider Mle1939 with 3-legged carriage here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=92112

David
http://www.italie1935-45.com/RE/photosc ... 75-50.html
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