NHJJ4
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NHJJ4
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April 14th, 2018, 10:58 am #21

One small detail. I was looking at the "CAD" drawing and saw the fine detail for the " Hand Brake Chain " SWEET Now  The FB 1 and FB 2 are on the opposite ends of the units. Now what to do with my P2K dummy units ?? 
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rsullivan
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April 14th, 2018, 12:35 pm #22

NHJJ4 wrote: One small detail. I was looking at the "CAD" drawing and saw the fine detail for the " Hand Brake Chain " SWEET Now  The FB 1 and FB 2 are on the opposite ends of the units. Now what to do with my P2K dummy units ?? 
There is always eBay Mr. NHJJ4. 😁 If you haven't checked them out since they moved from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io is the HO Swap Group at https://groups.io/g/HOswap. It is like a big consignment section of a hobby store, only online.
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nhhe52
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April 14th, 2018, 6:00 pm #23

Richard Abramson wrote: FA-1/FB-1/FA-1. Location is Mill River. The FB-2s were delivered in #13 PG and Dulux Gold.
The radiator positioning is not the same either.
As Bill stated, all new tooling. . .that costs $$$$$$!
In what year were they repainted warm orange and pin stripes?

Ed
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rsullivan
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April 15th, 2018, 12:04 am #24

     Mr. Ed(nhhe52). The FA1 and FB1 locomotives "...were delivered in [1947 in] the flashy warm orange livery with silver gray pin stripes and dark green side grilling and roof, and had through steam lines for use as trailing units behind steam generator-equipped locomotive in passenger service if necessary...In 1951 additonal "B" units numbered 465-469, class DER-2c, arrived...came in the green and gold livery...things started innocently enough with the red/white/black livery in 1956, simplified to red and black in 1958,..." From page 440 of Mr. J.W. Swanburg's New Haven Power 1838 - 1968 (1988). Interesting is unit 0403 as listed in Preliminary NHRTIA: 4.5.1 and 4.5.2 (1976). The chart shows photographic evidence that 0403 was painted in the Hunter Green Imitation Gold livery in July 1951 and the Hunter Green Warm Orange livery in November 1964. This is the only FA1 that was photographed in the Warm Orange with pin stripe livery after being recorded in a later livery. It also shows that the FB2 units were delivered in the Hunter Green Imitation Gold livery, and unit 469 was still in that livery in February 1967. I believe the FB2 paint listing is incorrect on the data sheet since the NHRHTA's New Haven Color Guide (1998) shows the locomotive colors for the period of 1948 to 1953 was Pullman Green NH Serial #13 and not the Hunter Green Imitation Gold livery shown on the data sheet, which was a preliminary data set.
     So, the short answer is only FA1 0403 was repainted in the Warm Orange with pin stripe livery, and depending on the year it was repainted the green should be Pullman Green NH Serial #13 if painted in 1953, or 401 Green NH Serial #401 if painted between 1954 and 1955. Hope this helps.
Richard (short form) #3967
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April 15th, 2018, 9:17 am #25

When F. C. Dumaine Sr. took control of the New Haven in 1949, he changed the paint scheme on the FAs and PAs to Pullman Green and Dulux Gold.

All the FA-1s and FB-1s were delivered in Hunter Green and Warm Orange with silver grey pin-stripes.
It is important to note that the grey was not metallic silver, but more off-white, and looked white from any distance.  PA-1s #0760 - #0769 were delivered in Warm Orange and Hunter Green with silver grey pin-stripes.  It should also be noted that paint specs changed before all the PA-1s were delivered and units #0770 - #0786 were delivered in Pullman Green and Dulux Gold.

Please be advised that FA-1 unit #0403 was NEVER repainted back to Hunter and Warm Orange with stripes.  Certainly not in 1964.

Bill Dulmaine
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rsullivan
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April 15th, 2018, 9:46 am #26

Thank you Mr. Dulmaine for the specifics on FA1 unit #0403. I was so hoping that Mr. Drummond was correct on the chart in NHRTIA: 4.5.2 (1976) that #0403 was in the Warm Orange and one of the latter greens so I could justify running it all the way to my end year of 1959. So much for pipe dreams (I guess if you never smoked that you shouldn't have pipe dreams).
Richard (short form) #3967
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April 15th, 2018, 9:53 am #27

Richard:
No FAs were painted Hunter Green with Imitation Gold stripes.
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Ed ORourke
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April 19th, 2018, 4:27 pm #28

I was going to say you could de-motor a couple of Walthers FA1s and run two Rapido units between them. Should be plenty of power.  Or do the same with a couple of RS-3s. Come to think of it, I have a couple of Athern RS-3s that I don't use because the are terrible runners. Hmmmm.

Ed
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April 19th, 2018, 6:11 pm #29

Peter said:
"Would I stoop so low as to mention the Penn Central on the NHRHTA Forum?  If it gets the Alpert (Trustee) scheme, yes,  But I still have to go wash my hands and my mouth out with soap now, if you'll excuse me".

Don't be ashamed or afraid to mention the PC on this site!  Personally, I have gotten a lot of New Haven information from the Penn Central Post periodical & members of the PCHS!  Marc Fratassio has written many articles about the integration of NH diesels into the PC as has John Garofalo written a few articles. So, save the soap for your showers! LOL

John Kasey
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May 2nd, 2018, 11:17 am #30

Would the New Haven FB units have been used with the C425's or U25B's or were the FB units disposed of by the time these locomtoives were delivered?  If they were used with these locomtives, anyone have any images?  I haven't found any which lead me to ask the question.

Thanks,

Ed
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