Who Wants Rapido to Make the Washboards Survey

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Who Wants Rapido to Make the Washboards Survey

nhhe52
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February 2nd, 2018, 5:32 pm #1

I answered your survey but I’ve asked this of Rapido many times in the past and the answer was and probably remains the market is not big.  I’d rather ask Rapido to consider making New Haven box cab and streamlined electric motors.

There wasn’t any way I could find to reply with a preferred scheme other than like or dislike.  Regardless, if offered they would be offered in every scheme, even PC, to maximize the market appeal.

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rsullivan
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February 2nd, 2018, 7:26 pm #2

I wasn't able to answer the survey from this device. I would love for Rapido to work their magic on them. The "washboard" are available from Island Models Works at www.islandmodelworks.com. I couldn't access the actual page for them, but they are available in both the combine and coach versions. The coach kit could be used for the club cars. Correct decals are also available. It includes the sideframes. It can be powered by a Kato or Walthers RDC (which no longer have the same appeal since Rapido has released their versions) or with Northwest Shortlines' underfloor power trucks. Someone posted his joy in the underfloor power trucks on another thread somewhere on this Forum. While the walls are thick, I'm happy with the details, and have ten coaches to put in commuter service.
I agree with more electrics!
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr. Member #3967
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February 3rd, 2018, 6:56 am #3

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tedwentz
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February 3rd, 2018, 7:00 am #4

I'd like to see Rapido make them too.
Delivery scheme with green ends please.
Preferably powered and unpowered versions.
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tedwentz
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February 3rd, 2018, 7:09 am #5

Come to think of it, the market for these should be bigger than the market for the EP5s which Rapido is making.
After all most of us would only buy one EP5 to head up our consists. However I've got to believe that most folks would buy enough washboards to at least make a small consist. I for one would buy 4. Less expensive unpowered versions (with pantographs) if offered would result in people buying larger consists and help amortize the tooling. Oh, and of course we need DCC and sound for the powered ones. Interior lighting for all.
Just my 2 cents for Jason.
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RanchoBob
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February 3rd, 2018, 10:15 am #6

Buck D down in sunny, cold, Florida says.   Yeah!   I was wondering how I was going to model the New Canaan branch trains.
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frn1963
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February 3rd, 2018, 4:48 pm #7

Yes definitely - but at $325 a throw (per Rapido RDC prices) my consist may only be dink-sized - in his recent Facebook interview at Trainworld ( Jason said dummies weren’t worth it because the motors were a fairly insignificant cost. Check this blog out to see what can be done with the Island Modelworks product by a skilled modeler (which ain’t me!)
http://signalstation199.blogspot.com/?m=1


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tedwentz
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February 3rd, 2018, 10:40 pm #8

I'm not sure the $325 for an unpowered car adds up. After all our beautiful 8600 coaches have everything an unpowered Washboard would except for a Pantograph (3 Bucks in China) and headlights/markers (another 3 bucks). Since the coaches were under $100 Washboard dummies should not be to far off that.
Maybe the real reason is that the RDCs drive shafts supposedly aren't strong enough to pull a trailer. ConCor solved this problem with the Pennsy MP54 cars with a single motor. They have problem pulling dummies.
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tedwentz
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February 4th, 2018, 7:56 am #9

Sorry, They have NO problem fully dummies.
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rsullivan
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February 4th, 2018, 8:12 am #10

Here are my observations of production factors which make me agree with Mr. Jason Shron's point in the EP-5 announcement video for not offering unpowered (dummy) locomotives, RDCs, and 4400 Washboards. Mr. Jason said it only costs about ten dollars more (I'm assuming US and not CDN, AUS, of HK dollars) per unit to make them powered as opposed to unpowered. He didn't add that there are additional costs per unit to make them an unpowered unit. For a DC/DCC/Sound unit with the pantographs able to go up or down by digital command, all the functions would have to be bench tested separately from the powered units, adding another station or re-running of that production station a second time. This takes production capacity from being used for an unrelated model being produced at the same time. Another cost factor would be another set of end-stamps for the boxes to be made to cover all of the unpowered 4400 Washboards by both number and scheme. If all we wanted are lit, unpowered 4400 Washboards with no DCC capable functions that we have to figure out how to power one or two per train on our own, then I could see the whole series being available at costs similar to the 8600 coaches and parlor/parlor-lounge. I for one appreciate the DC/DCC/Sound equipped powered units, and would run my trains as such. Okay, so I will have to rebuild my ten Island Models Works 4400 coaches following the example and sets shown on the link provided by Mr. Fred(frn1963) above. Although I will keep my unpowered ones as such. That's my two-cents (US) on why if Rapido thinks of doing a 4400 - 4488 Washboard series of coaches, and afterwards the 5670-5676 Washboard series of combines, and possibly the 5110-5113 Washboard series of private-charter club cars they should all be powered, just like the RDCs. Oh yeah, for those who model post-New Haven there would have to be the Penn Central 300-399 Washboards with the combines and club cars being in the higher end of the numbers according to Mr. J.W. Swanberg in New Haven Power 1938-1968 (1988). Mr. Swanberg says that "[t]he 100 cars included surprising variety with no less than five floor plans." With Rapido's attention to interior and unseen details, that would mean five separate models, with the initial 401 Green ends, McGinnis scheme ends, and of course the PC sides and ends. Rapido has provided all the varieties of paint scheme in the past on their models. So, I suspect that if we see a 4400/5110/5670/PC300 Washboard project, that they will all have the correct car numbers on the correct schemes offered together for each series. Okay, so it is four-cents (US) of opinion and observations. Okay, I'm making it six-cents (US) with the ready-to-run without the upgrades of the Island Model Works would probably be appreciated by many modelers who aren't into the upgrading of fine models to the prototype standards that will be on the Rapido models.
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