What's the Preferred Next Rapido NH LT WT Stainless Steel Car?

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rsullivan
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June 2nd, 2017, 11:24 am #141

Mr. Sheridan. I love making the Bethleham Car Works models and will get in touch with him on these. For diagrams NHRTIA Standing Data Sheet 5.5247 (1976) Yankee Clipper Dining Cars, by Alvin A. Lawrence shows both sides, one end and the interior layout with dimensions. It also has the color schemes, decorative items, and that ice-air conditioning system was used. Only two were used on the Yankee Clipper, Dreadnaught (5247) and John Bertram (5248). These were different from the dining cars in the 5239 - 5246 series. Looking at the end and side views, the 5247/5248 were one and 7/16 inch taller with the different vent configurations, different roof widths and peaked end which differ from the end side views of the 5239-5246 in NHRTIA Dtanding Data Sheet 5.5239 Diners 5239 - 5246 (1976) by A.A. Lawrence. These drawings also show different underbody details. When you compare those diagrams with the one in NHRTIA's New Haven Railroads Passenger Car Diagrams: Revised Edition (1975) you will see that the official New Haven company diagrams dated October 27, 1938 are different from Mr. Lawrence's diagrams published in 1976. The book shows different ends and roof dimensions. The cars series have differences on the dining end starting from the end to the first window being 5 1/4" different, the spaces between the windows are 12 1/2" different, the space between the end window and the first aisle window is 5 1/4" different, and between the last window and the access door is 5 3/4" different, yet both series have the same 43' 4" dining area. The rest of the sides are the same in layout and dimensions. The New Haven Railroads Passenger Car Diagrams book also shows a diagram for diner 5238, however its window configuration is way different, and if someone wants to model it, they should buy one of the Bethleham Cars Works models and modify it with New England Rail Service products. My question is, Are you going to design only the two Yankee Clipper dining cars, the eight other heaveyweight steel dining cars, or both? Regarding pictures, there are a bunch in various books and Shoreliners, but I haven't taken the time to look for any right now to reference. I don't even get a chance to attend the RPM at St Louis that is less than four hours from here; and while I would rather attend the RPM at Enfield because there will be more models germaine to my interests, I won't be driving two days to attend. If you want, I will go through all my books and Shoreliners and get you a list of pages for references.
Mr. Abramson. I just searched the Trains Stations Products site, and currently they don't offer the 61-NO trucks. That doesn't mean they didn't, just that they don't now.
I hope this helps this drift along.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3067
3668 Lone Valley Road
Calvert City, Kentucky 42029-8322
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mredden
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June 2nd, 2017, 3:12 pm #142

I was fortunate to have purchased a pair of RWC 61-NO trucks on EBay a number of years ago for one of the NHRHTA CJ grill car kits I started many years ago.  I'm assuming they were some extras from the RWC SS brass car sets.  I think they compare well to the photo in Randall Vol. 10 page 70.  I don't know if any more of these are available.
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michael78651
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March 4th, 2018, 4:17 am #143

Guys, sorry that I missed all these responses to my post back last May. Thanks for the information. I had some serious family matters erupt during that time. As some may have noticed, I haven't been very visible on this board in quite some time.

Were the 6100 cars painted in the black and orange, and did they run on The Berkshire Line in the mid to late 1960s? I recall seeing pictures of combines with three axle trucks in Pittsfield, but not two axle ones. Of course that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Is the referenced Bethlehem Car Works kit a "flat" kit? Does it come with proper weights and decals? I understand the kit doesn't come with trucks or couplers. Personally, I do not prefer to assemble flat kits, and when I spend that kind of money, I think the manufacturer can include everything needed to provide a complete car when assembled. I can paint the model, and I think I have decals for this car type. However, factory paint jobs are usually nicer.
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rsullivan
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March 4th, 2018, 5:19 am #144

     Mr. Michael78651. I don't have the Bethlehem Car Works model of the 6100 series baggage/smoker car. I have three of their recently released New Haven 8-1-3 Sleeper (Bok/Breslin/Victoria) Tower cars. They use a Branchline core with cast resin sides. Anything you might need for constructing the kit is included, to include trucks (that you put together), styrene strips, glazing, wire, correct decals, etc. Just no paint or couplers. The Branchline core is one-piece that has the floor and ends with side extensions to glue/secure the sides to. Much easier than both a flat kit or cutting the sides off of another heavyweight car. 
     The best bet is to ask Bethlehem Car Works. Their contact information is at: http://bethlehemcarworks.com/NewContactInformation.html. Mr. Greene answers very quickly and is happy to help out. Hope this helps some.
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TomCurtin
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March 4th, 2018, 7:09 am #145

michael78651 wrote:
Were the 6100 cars painted in the black and orange, and did they run on The Berkshire Line in the mid to late 1960s? I recall seeing pictures of combines with three axle trucks in Pittsfield, but not two axle ones. Of course that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Yes to both questions.  2 axle combines 6101 and 6103 were routine run on the Berkshire in the 60s.  I never saw a 3 axle one. 

Also, I only saw them in the "black knight" scheme (black and socony red)
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michael78651
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March 4th, 2018, 10:14 am #146

Richard and Tom - thanks for the info.
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NewHavenGeek
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March 5th, 2018, 7:16 am #147

I agree with the grill/diner. I need a good food service car
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TomCurtin
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March 5th, 2018, 8:50 am #148

NewHavenGeek wrote: I agree with the grill/diner. I need a good food service car
Do you mean a "good"  food service car, or a "good food" service car?   (LOL)
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NewHavenGeek
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March 5th, 2018, 3:41 pm #149

anything that isn't a Bachmann diner from 2011. but it would be nice to have good food aboard ;)
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March 13th, 2018, 10:11 am #150

I'm for the Grill and Diners. I believe that Rapido is working on the "Jets" now.
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