Snow Plowing New Haven Days

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Snow Plowing New Haven Days

BX10
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Joined: 15 Jan 2010, 05:40

15 Mar 2017, 17:28 #1

All this talk about snow in the Northeast  got me wondering as to what the lash up would be? I see in the February 2017 Calendar, for light snow, a Jordan Spreader, motive power, and caboose. Now with much more snow, would it be Plow, Flanger, Motive power, Caboose? or Plow, Motive power, Flanger, Caboose?  And if it was real light snow, would the lash up be Motive power, Flanger, Caboose? or Flanger, Motive power, Caboose?
 Bill


  
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Rick Abramson
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Joined: 09 Mar 2003, 07:00

15 Mar 2017, 22:04 #2

Bill:

If you have the issue, there was a great article in Shoreliner I believe in 1979; Snow Fighting on the New Haven. There is a shot of I believe a K-1-d, caboose and the flanger trailing.
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rivermanvt
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Joined: 15 Jun 2014, 14:26

19 Mar 2017, 11:59 #3

That sounds about right to me. Don't recall ever seeing a New Haven photo in which the flanger was ahead of the caboose and certainly never ahead of the motive power.
Obviously the plow was first. Then came the motive power and caboose. If a flanger was used it was usuallly the last piece. See page 174 in New Haven Power for how things
look with an R-1 in heavy snow and no plow. Have a  similar great photo of an R-1 with a Vanderbilt tender stopped somewhere with a single track plow up front and a
caboose behind in what is cetainly not "light snow". All were well covered with it!

Don
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Noel Weaver
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Joined: 18 Feb 2003, 07:23

19 Mar 2017, 23:09 #4

In my days in Waterbury we had two flangers and the S-11 which was later replaced by the S-18.  At the time the S-11 was replaced by the S-18, the decision was made to scrap the S-11 in Waterbury which happened in think in 1957.  Three pieces of snow fighting equipment, one for each direction out of Waterbury.  I don't recall Jordan Spreaders used to plow snow at not in those days.  The NHRR did not own a rotary plow.Noel Weaver
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NHRHTA1
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Joined: 12 Apr 2003, 09:17

20 Mar 2017, 02:12 #5

Noel question I have is who or what craft manned the plows and flangers?
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Noel Weaver
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Joined: 18 Feb 2003, 07:23

20 Mar 2017, 02:40 #6

M of W, sometimes with a conductor pilot. It was very important to know where to lift the blades or pull back the wings.
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Vandibe
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Joined: 20 Mar 2017, 21:57

20 Mar 2017, 21:57 #7

I hesitate to post this, because it is unconfirmed, but since we are on the topic of NH snow removal, here we go... I've been holding off because I wanted to try and get back out there on a Sunday drive with the kids to snap a picture, if possible.

Just before Christmas 2016 the wife and I took my kids on the Polar Express on the Cape Cod Central RR, out of Buzzards Bay Depot in Bourne. Route travelled back West-Northwest through Wareham. Several miles up the track, sitting on a small 2 track siding, there was an, I think, Russel snow plow. It flashed past the window at just a few feet, too fast and too close to get a good look, much less a picture. It was in rough shape; painted old box car red (or faded brown). I'd like to think I saw white numbers on the side, but it was just a flash. The mental image I have is of the old Russel plow pictured sitting abanded in front of the Readville car shops ~1960ish, along with a wrecked or burned diner car and a couple other derilects. 

Did a little investigating on Google Earth; take a look at Frieght Train Rd (a residential street off of Minot Ave) Wareham, MA (maye 1.5 mi East of where the ROW and MA-6 crosses the Wareham River). The "plow" is not pictured there, but you can see the tracks and another car that I beleive was a gondola. Seems like I saw an old hopper flash by too.  

Over to any of you who might live down that way and can do some in person sleuthing. I'm working in DC and commuting home on the weekends, so I just have the free time to give it a shot.

If it is a Russel, please post a pic! That was the very first HO scale car I ever bought for me/my son. And if it's not, let's just forget I ever said anything...

Eric
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rsullivan
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Joined: 14 Dec 2016, 20:36

21 Mar 2017, 15:13 #8

As noted twice, the pictures of NH RR snow trains showed the flanger behind the caboose. This morning I saw the cover of Shoreliner, volume 24, issue 3. It shows two DER-3a's (PA-1's) handling a flanger extra at Burr Road Tower, SS-55, in the winter of 1966. This picture has the lash-up as two locomotives, flanger, and caboose. Mr. Weaver said that the conductor usually operated the flanger to make sure the blade was lifted at the right time. Is it possible that since the conductor is in charge and responsible for the train, the conductor placed the flanger based on experience and not a rule? Was there even a rule on the placement of the flanger, and the flanger extra on the Shoreliner cover was in violation of the rule? Just wondering out loud, and my fingers moved with the sounds.
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Statkowski
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Joined: 05 Mar 2003, 09:39

21 Mar 2017, 17:15 #9

I'm sure everything was situated in consideration of the circumstances involved.  Hard and fast rules apply, until the situation dictates otherwise.
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Vandibe
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12 Apr 2017, 21:56 #10

The most recent Google Earth/Google Maps image has what appears to be the Russell Snow Plow sitting on the siding of the former Old Colony, former New Haven Wareham Frieght House at the location I described above.
Eric V.
Norwood, MA
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