Railroads and artists

TomCurtin
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February 7th, 2018, 10:01 am #1

My wife and I have been extremely fond of Norman Rockwell works for many years; and in this regard it recently occurred to me that it seems a bit strange that Rockwell --- whose home and studio in Stockbridge MA was literally just a few minutes' walk from the Berkshire line and Stockbridge's very photogenic New Haven station --- never painted anything there.  In fact, now that I think about it, I am not aware that Norman ever painted any rail subjects at all.

That indifference hasn't been historically or artists in general. The great French impressionist Claude Monet --- arguably the greatest, and certainly far and away the most prolific impressionist --- not only painted trains but once commented on what an inspiring subject they are!
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rsullivan
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February 7th, 2018, 10:35 am #2

Mr. Tom. I went to the Totally History site and viewed all of Norman Rockwell's paintings at: http://totallyhistory.com/norman-rockwell-paintings/. There was one railroad theme painting he titled "Boy in Dining Car" that he painted in 1947. Here is the painting from that site.
boy-in-a-dining-car-1947-Norman-Rockwell-small.jpg
Boy in Dining Car, 1947 by Norman Rockwell
Boy in Dining Car, 1947 by Norman Rockwell

Looking at all of his painting from February 3, 1894 – November 8, 1978, it seems he didn't do any actual buildings, just subjects that included elements of buildings.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
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Statkowski
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February 7th, 2018, 12:55 pm #3

Some artists paint scenery (which may or may not include trains), some artists paint people.  Norman Rockwell was a people painter.

Incidentally, from the streamlined locomotive on the dining car menu resting up against the window post, I'd say the location is somewhere on the Hudson River above Poughkeepsie heading north with a West Shore freight on the far side.

On the other hand, some artists loved doing railroads.  Howard Fogg made a good penny doing such, especially doing up Alco locomotives for Alco and also assorted New York Central annual calendars.

Of course, this discussion would not be complete without a Howard Fogg New Haven Alco picture, so here it is: newhaven.jpg
I'm not aware of any Howard Fogg New Haven PA or FA paintings.
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Bill Reidy
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February 8th, 2018, 8:59 pm #4

Edward Hopper (perhaps best known for his painting "Nighthawks") spent about 40 summers in Truro on the outer Cape.  During this time, he painted a number of images that featured the railroad directly or indirectly.  Here are links to a few samples:

Hills, South Truro:  http://www.canvasreplicas.com/Hopper191.htm

Truro, 1931:  https://www.wikiart.org/en/edward-hoppe ... r-at-truro

Truro, by the Pamet River:  http://museumpublicity.com/wp-content/u ... Hopper.jpg

North Truro station, 1930:   http://amica.davidrumsey.com/luna/servl ... 16&trs=478

Cottages at North Truro, 1938:  http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qVUoD9EHNdY/S ... inting.jpg

Cape Cod in October -- Dauphinee House, 1932:   http://www.canvasreplicas.com/Hopper230.htm

New York, New Haven & Hartford:  https://uploads6.wikiart.org/images/edw ... rtford.jpg
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TomCurtin
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February 9th, 2018, 6:56 am #5

rsullivan wrote: Mr. Tom. I went to the Totally History site and viewed all of Norman Rockwell's paintings at: http://totallyhistory.com/norman-rockwell-paintings/. There was one railroad theme painting he titled "Boy in Dining Car" that he painted in 1947. Here is the painting from that site.boy-in-a-dining-car-1947-Norman-Rockwell-small.jpg
Looking at all of his painting from February 3, 1894 – November 8, 1978, it seems he didn't do any actual buildings, just subjects that included elements of buildings.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
Ah yes, I had forgotten about "Boy in Dining Car."  Thanks for recalling that
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TomCurtin
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February 9th, 2018, 7:18 am #6

Statkowski wrote: .  Howard Fogg made a good penny doing such, especially doing up Alco locomotives for Alco and also assorted New York Central annual calendars.

Of course, this discussion would not be complete without a Howard Fogg New Haven Alco picture, so here it is:
I'm not aware of any Howard Fogg New Haven PA or FA paintings.
Yes, I'm sure many of us --- myself included --- have a print of Fogg's Alco RS-2 painting.

Since this has come up, here are a couple of comments on it:

 - Those of us who know the Berkshire line look at that and assume that the resemblance of the location to Hatch Pond in South Kent is too  great to be a coincidence (not to mention that, after all, those RS-2s were specifically first purchased to dieselize the Berkshire).  BUT --- Howard Fogg himself told an interviewer that he did not, as a matter of personal policy depict any specific places.

 - Humorous item 1: That scene could not logically have existed since, in the period when the RS-2s were new, the only Berkshire freight that would have been powered by 3 units was Danbury-State line EI-2, which was a night job.

 - Humorous item 2: Those of us who are modelers are probably aware that locomotive manufacturer "hobbytown of boston" [my use of lower case intentional as that's what hobbytown did] use that very painting on the box cover of their Alco RS model for many years.  However, hobbytown's model was an RS-3!
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TomCurtin
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February 9th, 2018, 9:21 am #7

Bill Reidy wrote: Edward Hopper (perhaps best known for his painting "Nighthawks") spent about 40 summers in Truro on the outer Cape.  During this time, he painted a number of images that featured the railroad directly or indirectly.  Here are links to a few samples:
Thanks for that Bill. 
BTW, there's a person in Wellfleet who does van tours through the back roads of Wellfleet and Truro to Hopper's painting locations.  She brings along a 3 ring binder of Hopper prints.  My wife and I have taken this tour and loved it.  It involves numerous crossings  of the New Haven ROW in the area
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February 9th, 2018, 10:17 am #8

[quote="Statkowski"]
Some artists paint scenery (which may or may not include trains), some artists paint people.  Norman Rockwell was a people painter.

Incidentally, from the streamlined locomotive on the dining car menu resting up against the window post, I'd say the location is somewhere on the Hudson River above Poughkeepsie heading north with a West Shore freight on the far side.

On the other hand, some artists loved doing railroads.  Howard Fogg made a good penny doing such, especially doing up Alco locomotives for Alco and also assorted New York Central annual calendars.

Of course, this discussion would not be complete without a Howard Fogg New Haven Alco picture, so here it is:newhaven.jpg
I'm not aware of any Howard Fogg New Haven PA or FA paintings.
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Check out the late John Scala's book Howard Fogg and the Diesel Image. P.23 has a great painting of #0773 at Rocky Neck Beach.
I was fortunate to be a good friend of John's and as a result he sent me photocopies of two other Alco's, #0416 (green/yellow) coming off Poughkeepsie Bridge and #0761(orange pinstripe) on the Shore Line. He passed away before he could locate the owners of those particular pieces. I would just love to see those in color!
In addition, Fogg did a beautiful piece early on of a pair of DL-109's at Shore Line Junction.

Reggie Day L2021
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Statkowski
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February 9th, 2018, 10:49 am #9

Now I'm aware.
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nhhe52
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February 9th, 2018, 10:58 pm #10

How about Bill Dulmaine’s painting of the East Wind being pulled by an I-4 through a Putnam, MA meadow?  It was featured in the Keystone article about the East Wind.

Ed
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