PA1s in freight service

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PA1s in freight service

Ron High
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Joined: 06 Jun 2003, 20:08

03 Nov 2017, 20:32 #1

I just bought  a small package of train orders through Ebay .  There 10 orders issued at Framingham to points such as Lowell, Fitchburg, Readville and Mansfield, all issued in 1960.  The engines involved are mostly RS2s and RS3s. Also engine 592 which was a Loewey style FM unit. The real surprise is an OD extra to Lowell with the engine 0767 a PA which seems a bit unusual use of an engine of that type. With an issue date of Nov 25 1960 it seems like this was may have been a case of using what was available since these may not have been needed for passenger service.
 I know that the PAs were often used on freight towards the end of their service life. I have an engine house logbook from Worcester dated late 1964 that often showed 3 PAs coming in on train P2.

Ron High


 
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Statkowski
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Joined: 05 Mar 2003, 09:39

03 Nov 2017, 21:36 #2

Saw them in Harlem River pulling BG-1 back in the early 60s.  Once the FL9s were on the scene, the PA-1s were no longer needed, especially after the second 30 FL9s arrived and the Old Colony service no longer existed.

The rare one was FL9s in freight service.  It was done, but not often.
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Bill Reidy
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Joined: 01 Jun 2003, 07:22

03 Nov 2017, 23:31 #3

FA-1s were used on occasion in Old Colony commuter service in the late 1950s, based on films that I believe were shot by Stan Hauck in the Quincy/Braintree area.
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Richard Abramson
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Joined: 04 Aug 2017, 21:23

03 Nov 2017, 23:44 #4

In most cases NH-1/HN-2 "The Drop" had PAs for power.
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Statkowski
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Joined: 05 Mar 2003, 09:39

04 Nov 2017, 01:03 #5

Brother Rick, I must respectfully disagree with you on that.

The "assigned" power for NH-1/HN-2, according to the 1962 and 1965 symbol books, was a DERS-4/5/6 combination although it generally ran in the mid-1960s with whatever was available, be it an RS-3, FA-1, FB-1 or FB-2, GP9, RS-11 or DERS-6 H-16-44 or any three-unit combination thereof.  One morning it arrived at Oak Point with a matched set (3 H-16-44s), and everyone was shocked, simply because all the engines matched.  But PA-1s?  Not that I ever experienced.  Perhaps, maybe, in the early 1960s, but with their gearing and rack settings these would not have been the ideal engine for The Drop.

Westward, NH-1 worked East Bridgeport, South Norwalk, Stamford, Port Chester and New Rochelle.  Eastward, HN-2 worked New Rochelle, Cos Cob, Stamford, South Norwalk and East Bridgeport.

The PA-1s were best suited in freight service with minimal switching along the way.
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Noel Weaver
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Joined: 18 Feb 2003, 07:23

04 Nov 2017, 08:36 #6

When the PA's came on the scene the New Haven wanted engines that could run well in either passenger or freight operation and they did that.  They did not have the TE that the four motor Alco's had but they did a good job with NH-1 and HN-2 which was their last assignment in 1965.  0783 and 0784 were the last two to operate on NH-1 and HN-2.  I have the month on record but not handy to me right now.  They weren't bad on that job even with the switching.  Another set of trains that had PA's when there were more than two running was NS-4 and SN-3 between Cedar Hill and Springfield.  They did not have enough weight on the drivers for heavy tonnage freight trains on the Maybrook Line or Bay Ridge jobs crossing Hell Gate Bridge.  The PA's could only MU with the 0700's and the 790's, nothing else.  
As for FA's in passenger service, it happened but it was not common.  At one time I believe they had pass through steam lines but never had steam connectors nro steam generators.  The FA-'s also had communicating whistles, all of them.  The Old Colony would be an ideal place to run them in the event of necessity because the runs were short and they could heat the hell out of the coaches in South Station before the train left.  The Canadian National never had steam heat on their old electric locomotives in Montreal and that's what they did with the commuter trains which went through the Mount Royal Tunnel.  It worked there too.
I had a regular job out of Bay Ridge for several months in 1965 and PA's (the last two) were regular power on NH-1 and HN-2 all through that time until they made their last trips.  One trip I spotted both of the at Cedar Hill, one still running the other dead.  It was the end but I don't remember the exact date.

Noel Weaver
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Vandibe
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Joined: 20 Mar 2017, 21:57

04 Nov 2017, 11:52 #7

Was flipping through NH Color Pictoral Vol 2 (D.R. Sweetland) just yesterday and noticed the mixed power on freight and passenger trains. There were some really odd combinations with wildly different paint schemes - could throw a kid with OCD into an episode! It's been said here before, pretty much any combo of any type locomotive or rolling stock/car was possible on the New Haven, particularly in the waning years. 

Eric Vandiver
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Richard Abramson
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04 Nov 2017, 13:34 #8

Brother Henry:
One cannot always go by what the assignment books dictated. It didn't always work out that way. When I was at Devon I distinctly remember PAs on the drop.
As you can see, Mr. Weaver confirmed my original post.
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Statkowski
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Joined: 05 Mar 2003, 09:39

04 Nov 2017, 16:36 #9

Yes, one cannot go by what the assignment books dictated, and I do stand corrected.  Up to 1965 PA-1s were used.  When I was at Oak Point or Pelham Bay I never saw PA-1s.  Saw everything else, a regular jumble of whatever.  Up until 1965 one thing, after that another.  
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rfranzosa
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Joined: 17 Oct 2005, 10:55

07 Nov 2017, 02:53 #10

To the question of FAs in passenger service, I'm sure I've seen a photo around of a single FA1 pulling a summer Cape Cod train out of South Station (no steam heat needed).  

Rick Franzosa
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