Oak Point Yard Car Float Switches and Rapdo's New RailCrew Switch Machines

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nhhe52
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November 1st, 2017, 6:45 pm #11

rsullivan wrote: Thanks Mr. Ed(nhhe52) for those additional pictures of Hunts Point Station's eastside. Now I know exactly how to model the stairway crossover and descending stairs to the platform between tracks 2 & 3. I know I have to buy ten Type 3 and at least 14 Type 2 Catenary from Model Memories to match the catenary through that stretch. I have close-up pictures of the front side's small dormers, the roof overhang supports, the fancy roof edge design, and the stone moldings around the windows and doors that I will make masters of. Then I will cast enough for the model. The decorative moldings at the top of the chimneys may be made as a master and I'll cast them, or I'll make each individually. I already have the windows, doors, and finials from Scale Structures Limited, and I'm not sure how I'm going to do the decorative roof trim along the ridge. I'm going to make it as detailed and accurate as possible since it will be viewable from a few inches away. There will be an interior, but I'm not going to try and duplicate the arched roof.
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Sorry all for my redundant replies.  I was having difficulty posting from my phone.  This one should be deleted.

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November 1st, 2017, 7:04 pm #12

If SpeedWitch agrees to publish what I send on my modeling of my Oak Point Yard and Harlem Branch as I finish the 23' x 4' mainline tracks and yard, you should see it Mr. Ed(nhhe52). That section might have some of the Rapido RailCrew Switch Machines with the RACOR 20C white/yellow kerosene lantern moving switchstands for the inner yard and car float yard leads that start on that section. I'm trying to figure out a way to connect a semaphore on the dwarf signals along the mainline and initial yard switches that were controled by S.S. 3 and S.S. 4 so the semaphore goes up to the 45 degree angle when the switch is thrown and back horizontal when it is closed. Then I'll do the 23' x 4' section that will have the car floats, locomotive service area, NYC&H RR powerhouse and NYC's yard. I have already made a compressed version of the powerhouse with one coal barge being onloaded on the river side instead of three coal barges on the westside of the powerhouse.
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November 1st, 2017, 7:11 pm #13

Sounds great!

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November 1st, 2017, 7:51 pm #14

rsullivan wrote: Thanks Mr. Ed(nhhe52) for those additional pictures of Hunts Point Station's eastside. Now I know exactly how to model the stairway crossover and descending stairs to the platform between tracks 2 & 3. I know I have to buy ten Type 3 and at least 14 Type 2 Catenary from Model Memories to match the catenary through that stretch. I have close-up pictures of the front side's small dormers, the roof overhang supports, the fancy roof edge design, and the stone moldings around the windows and doors that I will make masters of. Then I will cast enough for the model. The decorative moldings at the top of the chimneys may be made as a master and I'll cast them, or I'll make each individually. I already have the windows, doors, and finials from Scale Structures Limited, and I'm not sure how I'm going to do the decorative roof trim along the ridge. I'm going to make it as detailed and accurate as possible since it will be viewable from a few inches away. There will be an interior, but I'm not going to try and duplicate the arched roof.
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Richard:

I would love to see some images of your model of Hunts Point Station and layout.  Share some progress images.  Modelers have great imaginations, we have to. 😀
Seaport Model Works has some very nice model tugs and barge kits and the owner Bruce is a very nice guy to work with.

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November 1st, 2017, 10:43 pm #15

Mr. Ed(nhhe52). Thanks for the tip about Seaport Model Works. I have two Walthers Railroad Tug models, and a wooden Model Shipways Taurus Tug kit. The Taurus will have the hull lengthened, a steel deckhouse, and wooden pilothouse added that match ones of the diagrams for the transfers I have. I'm going to model six of the eight car float bridges plus the wharf between the two segments. I have enough car float kits to make them 100' longer, and I have to smooth the ridges from the sides. I'll be using metal diesel handrail stanchions for the side railings on the car floats. So, I'm pretty well set for when I get to the third segment of Oak Point Yard.
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November 1st, 2017, 11:03 pm #16

Richard:

Sounds like the layout will be amazing!

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March 6th, 2018, 6:47 pm #17

rsullivan wrote: Rapido just announced their RailCrew Switch Machines, and after watching the video I decided I want to use them. Unfortunately, the initial part of my layout is Oak Point Yard and the Harlem Branch. All of the switches were controlled by the signal stations from what I have been able to see in the pictures. The only possible exception is the yard throat for the car floats and adjacent yard. The diagram in the NHRHTA’s Mechanical Department Facilities Maps, Revised Edition (1989) does not show any tower supervising the switches. There are light bridges to illuminate the switches. And, it makes sense that the train crew would be able to change the directions faster manually than waiting for a tower operator to take care of it, especially if three to six locomotives are switching cars onto/off the car floats. My questions for the railroaders that worked Oak Point are, were these manually thrown switches? Rapido offers three different types of stands (I didn’t write down the types during the video), all of which are tall stands. Were the stands tall or short, and is the type known? What type of target was used? Thanks for any information and/or places to check out pictures in various publications like Shoreliner.
For those who haven’t seen these switch machines, they are really kewl in how they work, and neat in how they are installed from the top of the layout and next to the switch points.
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View of switch stand targets of different heights at New Rochelle yard back in the day.
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March 6th, 2018, 7:48 pm #18

Up at the east end of Oak Point Yard, once past the initial yard throat exiting from the HRB's main line (tracks 6 through 3, inclusive), all the switches for the float bridges were hand-thrown.  There were no hand-thrown switches on track 6.  S.S. 4, controlling the eastern entrance to the yard, could arrange movements for One Yard, Four Bridge East, and Along The Wall.

Going into the yard from the main, one received a Restricting indication from the jack signal on track 6, 5, 4 or 3.  Coming out of the yard, one received a Restricting indication from the jack signal for One Yard, Four Bridge East, or Along The Wall.

All of the switches in this picture of the yard entrance are hand-thrown, with low-level switchstands.

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rsullivan
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March 6th, 2018, 10:02 pm #19

     Mr. Ed(nhhe52). I like the view showing the different height switch stand right next to each other in the New Rochelle Yard. I have to think one was for the siding switch and the other for the diverging main line switch that were right next to each other on the same track.
     Mr. Statkowski. Looking at the special trackwork switches, I have to imagine how accurately you had to throw the different switch stands to get the train to go onto the correct track.
    Thank you both for sharing these pictures.
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Statkowski
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March 6th, 2018, 10:19 pm #20

Imagine two diverging switches facing each other, then move one forward so that it overlaps the other.  With two switches you had two switchstands.  With a double-slip switch you had two switchstands, plus another for the movable-point frog in the center.  Done often enough and one knew what to throw and what not to throw.  I know that out on the main the switches had gas-fired heaters to deal with snow and ice, but I don't think all those switches in the yard had such.  But, they had plenty of stiff brooms and shovels to deal with the inconvenience.
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