nyc tunnels

rrtrax2
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11:32 AM - Nov 26, 2007 #1

there is an article today on the front page of the stamford advocate about tunnels to connect the lirr with grand central and also allow metro-north to get into penn station. try the link below:
www.stamfordadvocate.com/...-headlines
does anyone know the status of the plan to get freight into new england via tunnel from new jersey. could this tunneling possibly figure into that effort? -bob
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Otto Vondrak
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2:09 PM - Nov 26, 2007 #2

East Side Access (ESA) will allow the LIRR its own separate track and terminal under Grand Central. No physical connections to MN that I know about.
Any proposed MN service to Penn Station would either be via Hell Gate with New Haven Line EMU's or from the Empire Connection with Hudson Line dual modes.
I'm not sure I've heard of any tunnel projects for rail freight.
-otto vondrak
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Noel Weaver
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3:16 PM - Nov 26, 2007 #3

This has been discussed previously but I will state it
again, it is not likely that any freight railroad would
make any major use of a freight tunnel to New York from
New Jersey. They have adequate facilities in New Jersey at
several different locations and they could not be expected
to support a scheme of this nature nor put any money in to
it either.
I would hate to see tax dollars go in to something as
wasteful as this but then, New York State has been known to
waste money on things in years past so I suppose it is
possible. The cost would be awful.
Noel Weaver
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Otto Vondrak
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6:38 PM - Nov 27, 2007 #4

As such... this topic is probably better suited for another forum (I might know a good one) since it really doesn't concern the New Haven Railroad...
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rrtrax2
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10:21 PM - Nov 27, 2007 #5

this topic may be on the periphery, but it seems to qualify quite reasonably as 'new haven' in a number of ways and in fact has already been discussed in this forum.
being invited by another member to take it elsewhere seems quite inappropriate to me and not inviting of further discussion by others, who are free to respond, or not, as they choose. - bob
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Noel Weaver
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12:29 AM - Nov 28, 2007 #6

In the true sense of things, it is probably not appropriate
to discuss a possible freight tunnel around New York on
here, this kind of stuff is better on railroaddotnet.
I will discuss it on here if necessary but again just
because I might comment or discuss it on here still does
not make it appropriate nor proper to do so.
Although lots of us vary from it from time to time, the
real purpose of this site is discussion about the late and
great New Haven Railroad and stretching it a little bit,
its successors. Something that does not even exist today
does not really belong on here.
Noel Weaver
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rrtrax2
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10:28 AM - Nov 28, 2007 #7

i guess i was thinking of this as much in terms of the new connections to grand central and the use of the harlem branch by metro-north, a successor, as part of that, if i understand this all correctly, which i may not.
again, my limited understanding of the new haven on that end was that freight was barged across the harbor and that the proposed tunnel would replicate that service, in some ways then becoming a successor. i may not understand that correctly either.
comments, as appropriate, are invited here and i'll check out railroaddotnet in the meantime. - bob
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adamrose045
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10:17 AM - Nov 04, 2014 #8

They have adequate facilities in New Jersey at
several different locations and they could not be expected

to support a scheme of this nature nor put any money in to
it either.

I would hate to see tax dollars go in to something as

wasteful as this but then, New York State has been known to
waste money on things in years past so I suppose it is

possible. The cost would be awful.
GuL
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