NH S-1 & 2 Cab

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mredden
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Joined: 21 Aug 2003, 08:48

11 Nov 2017, 03:29 #11

Bill,

I know about the rivets on the roof, but so far it has been beyond my abilities to apply rivets in an array along arcs with so many segments, so I was planning on applying Archer rivet strips to the roof after I receive them from Shapeways.

I did see in your article in Shoreliner V35 #1 that the early S1's have the narrow radiator shutters, but I had not yet considered designing replacement radiators. I will look into this after I finish up the Proto S1 cab.

I'm sure I could design a version with the radio enclosure if I had a good photo or drawing of them. If someone could provide them I'd be happy to design a cab that has a radio enclosure.

For the S2 I only have the older Atlas Roco. I'm assuming the shells were upgraded when they came out with the Master Line. I'll work on the Atlas/Roco S2 cab first, then the Master Line after I acquire one.

Mike Redden
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rsullivan
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Joined: 14 Dec 2016, 20:36

11 Nov 2017, 03:42 #12

Mr. Mike. Will there be separately listed cabs for the S-1 and S-2 for the different model manufacturers' versions once you have finished with the prototype model cabs? I really appreciate these new cabs you are taking the time to develop and share with others.
Richard H. Sullivan Jr.  member #3967
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mredden
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11 Nov 2017, 13:37 #13

Yes, I plan on having variants to fit each manufacturers' versions.

Mike Redden
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John Sheridan
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13 Nov 2017, 14:05 #14

Just as an FYI, if you are simply lowering the top of the cab this is incorrect for the NH S1 & S2 cabs. There are many other differences as well.
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mredden
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13 Nov 2017, 14:49 #15

It is certainly not simply lowering the cab roof.  I have been working from drawings and photos in Shoreliner Vol. 35 Issue 1, and other photos of New Haven Alco S1s and S2s, to make the cabs as accurate as possible while satisfying requirements for 3D printing by Shapeways in HO scale.

Mike Redden
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John Sheridan
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13 Nov 2017, 14:57 #16

I know this as I have already CAD'd the cab out completely including the Whistle & the train control box. 

The Windows are the biggest concern besides the roof. 
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John Sheridan
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13 Nov 2017, 14:58 #17

FWIW, the difference in fit between the Atlas S-2 & the Proto2000 is minimal. In fact they are pretty much the same if you disregard the mount tabs.
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rfranzosa
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13 Nov 2017, 17:54 #18

John Sheridan wrote: Just as an FYI, if you are simply lowering the top of the cab this is incorrect for the NH S1 & S2 cabs. There are many other differences as well.
Hi John,

Just curious, what are the other differences?

Thanks,

Rick Franzosa
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rsullivan
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13 Nov 2017, 23:57 #19

Mr. Sheridan. While I can only use eyeball comparisons of the two views submitted above with all the various angles of DEY-3 and DEY-5 cabs available in pictures in various issues of Shoreliner and books about the New Haven, I must be missing something that you have seen. To my mind's eye, the arch of the roof looks correct in both the front and the back sides of the cab. All of the windows appear to be the correct dimensions, and the distances from the roof to the window tops all look correct too. The thickness of the metal supporting the windows and the cab roof in the front looks right too. I also failed to see anything on the sides or on the back that seemed incorrect. I know you are involved in model design for manufacturers, and are aware of pitfalls that those of us who only make a few of a model aren't going to run into. Is your CAD and windows different when your cab's 3D printing was made? Just curious as I'm looking forward to these becoming available to replace the cabs on all my S-1 and S-2 models in the near term. Thanks.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
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NHJJ4
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14 Nov 2017, 05:00 #20

 Well Heck  ( Rivet Counters be damned ) I for one will be real happy with the cab's I mean that is ALL anybody need's. But then there is the Radiator shutters and a few other things that a " Modeler " should be able to fix on there own.  But ( there is that word ) There are a vast amount of ( Shake the box ) modelers who for the lack of better terminology  want EVERYTHING 100% Correct and or demand it.
I mean this is a hobby correct and due to there not being ANYTHING that is 100% correct
 Either buy it or be happy with an out of the box incorrect product that we have been dealing with for decades . I have been working on an SD 40 Which is now an SD 40-3.MR  I got an Athearn RTR undec kit and figured I would ( shake the box ) & be happy  Well guess what sports fans  Wrong Hand Rails ,Wrong Trucks ,Wrong Fuel Tank  I just got my last bill from Athearn for the last 2 section's of a hand rail set I needed. of coarse I had to buy the whole set AND have 3 separate different  sets to get the part's I needed. 2 separate size fuel tank's It came with a 4,000 Gal tank when new But looking at pictures between the real unit in question and what I was trying to get to I had to order a 3,600 gal. tank and a 3,200 gal. tank ALL so I could look at a picture and match the picture with my model part. Real life unit got sold and is now in Wa. State. so no way to measure it
 Then it has Dash 2 trucks now not the standard SD 40 truck it was built with. The smaller tank is for the  longer side frame that wouldn't fit with a 4,000 gal tank. Real life 12" to the foot Kit Bashing.
 I love it and why ?? I know MINE  will be correct or as correct as I can make it with Factory parts.
 Oh sure I could have just painted it up & said See what I have ?? Nope it wasn't right.
 There are a bunch who will tell you this is wrong or that is wrong. There was a guy ( when I was growing up) named Don  Something  who could look at a model of an airplane that had just won an IPMS  modeling prize for best ?? what ever it was and tell you it is wrong ! YOUR DIHEDRAL is 2 1/2 degrees off !! on your wing He never made a model but by God he would tell you what YOU did wrong. .
 I had built a WW2 PzKW4 Tank Which I must say came out Great and Don told me I by using the factory kit tracks had 4 extra track sections per side  to meany ??? mind you this was late 60s and no hi $$$ parts were being made at that time.
  If I would have known All this hate & discontent  would have been started over me telling everybody there is a new  cab for an ALCO unit I would have kept my mouth shut till I got it mounted & painted.
 There is no way I would pay 200 to 300 to get an ALCO switcher that for 28 bucks will due nicely. Besides the 2 choices we have now both run great. No need to re invent the wheel.

 And John, I have switched the cabs between Atlas & P2K They can be switched but still wrong.
 I did it to see if a Atlas cab ( which could be had at the time) would fit on a P2k unit that no parts were available for any more.
 As far as the cab goes the only drawing I have  ( and could get ) was an End cab drawing. No side or long hood end could I find or get.

 Sorry but that is my 2 cents + a few
 And Thank's again Mike.
Jim Evans
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