New Haven Branch From Rising To State Line MA

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New Haven Branch From Rising To State Line MA

kcur8722
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Joined: March 30th, 2014, 2:59 pm

April 28th, 2015, 8:48 pm #1

Does anyone on the forum have info about this rail line? (When the New Haven ran it, what type of service (freight, etc.) & abandonment)  When driving on Route 41 North in the wintertime & no leaves on trees, I can see ROW in spots on right hand side paralleling road.  Can remember where the grade crossing off of North Plain Road where Country Carpets is located & signal lights there.  Looked like it crossed 41 just before cemetery on right roadside. My mother, who is almost 92, can remember the overpass where the train crossed over 41, just before turnpike interchange.  Both abutments there are still visible.  I read where it was partially abandoned in 1959 & totally abandoned in 1964.  Wanted to make that info was right, too.  Thank you.  I also notice there are pop up adds occuring on site, also (FYI).
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Statkowski
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Joined: March 5th, 2003, 4:39 am

April 28th, 2015, 9:22 pm #2

Quick, down-and-dirty response, twenty-five words or less:  The line from Van Deusenville to West Stockbridge and State Line was a connection with the Boston & Albany.
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ances ... eline.html
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Rick Abramson
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April 29th, 2015, 3:40 pm #3

The only portion left of the State Line Branch is Rising Siding on The Housatonic RR.
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Noel Weaver
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April 29th, 2015, 4:29 pm #4

In the process of unpacking after my move from Fort Lauderdale to Pompano "BINGO", old freight symbol books, 3 of them from 1944, 1946 and 1948. Of course 1944 was a busy war year but that year they had two symbol freights to State Line, one from New York and the other from Bridgeport. They also had two local working out of State Line in this book. Huge amounts of freight all over the NHRR in 1944. Waterbury was very, very busy, so was Taunton, two places that have little left today. I love looking back through this historic stuff.
Noel Weaver
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Statkowski
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April 29th, 2015, 10:11 pm #5

From the 1962 Arranged Freight Service Symbol Book No. 14:
NX-12, Pittsfield - Rising - West Stockbridge and return.  Runs Monday thru Friday; departs Pittsfield 10:00 a.m.  Does all switching at Pittsfield thence operates to Rising and West Stockbridge and return doing intermediate station work enroute.  Moves cars to Rising for connection to NX-13.
NX-13, Danbury - Canaan - Rising and return.  Runs Monday thru Saturday; departs Danbury 11:00 a.m.  Operates to Rising and return doing station work enroute.  Operates Canaan to Lakeville as required.  Moves cars to Rising for NX-12.
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michael78651
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April 30th, 2015, 12:28 am #6

In the 1960 book, NX-12 ran Monday through Saturday, departing Pittsfield at 6:00 AM. (NX-10 departed Danbury at 6:00 AM)

In 1965, NX-12 ran Monday through Friday and departed Pittsfield at 7:00 AM. (NX-10 departed Danbury at 6:55 AM)

Were NX-12 Saturday operations dropped in 1961 or 1962?

In 1962, what was the Danbury departure time for NX-10?
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Statkowski
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April 30th, 2015, 8:01 am #7

7:25 a.m.
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michael78651
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April 30th, 2015, 2:19 pm #8

Thank you!
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kcur8722
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April 30th, 2015, 7:15 pm #9

Thank you all for your responses.  To Rick Abramson: Rick, have you heard anything new about possible preservation of New Haven caboose in Falls Village? Thanks.
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Tom Curtin
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Joined: March 28th, 2003, 10:44 pm

May 1st, 2015, 10:14 am #10

For everybody's info, there was on this forum several years ago excellent descriptions of the State Line operation in the 50's, and of the two major wrecks in the spring of 1959 that caused the RR to decide to terminate State Line operations and do the interchange at Pittsfield.  This was written by George Ford whose dad had been the agent/operator at State Line.  Ther freights were re-designate from RI2 - IR1 to RQ2 - QR1.
The NH-B&A junction at Pittsfield was not as well designed as State Line for this freight interchange.  For one thing, Pittsfield branched WEST off the B&A whereas State Line branched EAST off the B&A.  I guess also there weren't the good interchange tracks that there were at State Line.  A third possibility that is only my opinion is a weight restriction on the wood trestle at Lenoxdale  may have limited the weight of cars that could be handled between Pittsfield and Rising.
So, the traffic through this interchange declined rapidly after State Line closed and within two years --- by the spring of 1961 --- the interchange ended completely.
I enjoyed the occasional chance to see RI2 with its 3 RS-3s leaving Danbury about 10: 30 AM, once Pittsfield passenger train #140 was in the clear.  RI2 didn't want to get to
Berkshire Jct until #140 had cleared the next open station at New Milford.  All this went on before I was old enough to drive but it must have been fun to follow these two midday northbounds up the Berkshire one after the other.
For anybody who does not know this, the NHRHTA's Kent Cochrane DVD "New Haven Railroad in the 50s" features footage of an RDC fantrip to State Line in August 1952.  I would surmise this is probably the only railfan film ever to feature the State Line Branch.  It includes State Line station and West Stockbridge station.
For some reason that has always escaped me fan photographers never covered the Berkshire much.  This shortage is astounding when one considers the great scenic beauty of the Housatonic valley..  Kent Cochrane did capture the last half a year or so of steam in black and white.  Tom McNamara had some --- no more than a couple of dozen --- of the 50s and 60s, nothing like his prodigious coverage of other places..  Casey Cavanaugh (another son of a Berkshire line agent/operator!) has some great shots that we have featured in NHRHTA calendars.  I have never seen a single photo by the late great Tom Donahue.  New Haven engineer Pete McLachlan probably has the most sizable collection of Berkshire line photos from the late 50s through to the end of the New Haven.  Most of his are of jobs he worked himself!
Last edited by Tom Curtin on May 1st, 2015, 10:34 am, edited 2 times in total.
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