Noel Weaver
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November 30th, 2007, 11:02 pm #51

When I made the statement about the J-1's, I was talking
about the Canal north of Plainville to Westfield and
Holyoke. I did not check as much for the territory south
of Plainville. The J-1's were common power on the two
round trips of the period between Cedar Hill - Berlin - New
Britain - Plainville - Westfield - Holyoke.
I don't know just what year the S-2's took over these
trains but it was probably somewhere around 1947 or so.
I well remember the old times around New Haven saying that
the Canal Freights were some of the hardest jobs to work
with the J-1's, hand fired and coal hungry.
One or two of them told me that I would never have made it
on one of those jobs but I never had the opportunity to
prove them wrong. There were some old timers who resented
the fact that the firemen of my period never had to work on
steam engines, especially the hand fired ones.
OH WELL!!!
Noel Weaver
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rghammill
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December 6th, 2007, 5:50 am #52

I'm putting together a site for my model as well as prototype information on New Britain from 1948-1954 or so:
newbritainstation.com
Let me know what you think, and feel free to send me any info you might have that I can add.
Randy
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Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  |  http://newbritainstation.com
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Tom Curtin
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December 6th, 2007, 10:55 am #53

Noel wrote
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When I made the statement about the J-1's, I was talking about the Canal north of Plainville to Westfield and Holyoke. I did not check as much for the territory south of Plainville. The J-1's were common power on the two round trips of the period between Cedar Hill - Berlin - New Britain - Plainville - Westfield - Holyoke.
I don't know just what year the S-2's took over these
trains but it was probably somewhere around 1947 or so.
I well remember the old times around New Haven saying that the Canal Freights were some of the hardest jobs to work with the J-1's, hand fired and coal hungry.
Am I reading this correctly? An S-2 hauled the NY/YN freights? I'm amazed at the thought that a 1000 hp S-2 (with no MU capability, so it would've been a single unit) could replace a J-1. I cam imiagine that this route was indeed a tough one for hand-fired steam --- in particular there were two tough uphill hauls (Berlin-New Britain, and Plainville-Farmington).
The earliest Engine Assignment I have is 1949 which shows the NY/YN's assigned a pair of RS-2s (the 0510-0516 ones, devlivered November 1948) which would've been a few months old at the time.
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Noel Weaver
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December 6th, 2007, 2:07 pm #54

Tom and others, you read my post correctly. I suppose that
is one reason that they had the two through jobs to Holyoke
during the period.
I remember as a child from Torrington going to Hartford
with my parents as we used to do that very often in the
40's after the war and seeing one of the trains with a
"small" diesel and maybe 15 or 20 cars. The S-2's could
pull but they did not go too fast. The NHRR was looking to
cut the use of coal and the cost of operation and the
diesel, however small, did the job until something bigger
and better came along. Even though it was only a 1000 HP
engine, the diesels cut costs on the Canal by a huge
amount.
Noel Weaver
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Tom Curtin
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December 6th, 2007, 4:20 pm #55

Interesting --- a symbol freight hauled by a single switcher!
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Noel Weaver
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December 9th, 2007, 9:39 pm #56

Here is a little more light on my previous comment about
0600 class switchers being the power on the symbol freight
trains between Cedar Hill and Holyoke. From the symbol
book no. 76, dated September 29, 1946 I found both NY-2 and
NY-4 listed as having either a J-1 (3000 class 2-8-2) or a
DEY-5 (0600 class switcher). The tonnage ratings were as
follows: Cedar Hill to Meriden 2400 tons, Meriden to
Plainville 1500 tons, Plainville to Westfield 2000 tons and
finally Westfield to Holyoke 1100 tons. For YN-1 and YN-3
the ratings were: Holyoke to Westfield 850 tons and
Westfield to Cedar Hill 1500 tons. The tonnage rating was
exactly the same whether it was a J-1 or a 0600 diesel.
I am sure that YN-1 probably got a push out of Holyoke on
most trips in this period whether it had a diesel or a
steam engine. This is probably the reason that there were
still two symbol freight trains in each direction during
this period.
These early symbol books also show a lot of symbol freight
trains to and from Maybrook again due to the grades and the
steam engines (L-1's, 3200's) or diesels (a pair of
0700's. The 1946 book showed three round trips between
Hartford and Maybrook all with steam power again 3200's.
Noel Weaver
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