Noel Weaver
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September 15th, 2007, 2:30 am #21

There were only three 250 ton cranes on the New Haven
Railroad and be assurred, none of them were assigned to
either Waterbury or Hartford. There was a smaller crane at
one time in Hartford/East Hartford and a Brown Hoist in
Waterbury at one time too.
The nearest terminal with a normal work train consist
would be Hartford but this is somewhat vague as often work
train cars would depend on the job that the work train was
to do on a certain day.
RS-2's were around the Waterbury - Hartford area for a
time around 1950 but the RS-3's were far more common in
this territory.
The reason that lounge coaches were used on 131 and 136 was
the fact that these trains normally had only one coach for
passengers and the lounge was the smoking section and the
rest of the coach was non smoking. The mail contract kept
these trains in the timetable right up to the 1955 floods.
Noel Weaver
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rghammill
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September 15th, 2007, 3:42 am #22

Would the Tichy model work for one of the smaller cranes?
tichytraingroup.com/index...t+Car+Kits
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Ruzbasan
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September 17th, 2007, 12:20 am #23

I stand corrected. The 250 ton crane pictured in the Shoreliner must have been in the Waterbury Yard for just a job and not actually based there. I also saw in a book (can't recall the title) a 250 ton crane that had flipped over while trying to lift a boxcar on the Naugatuck Line, just below Waterbury.
I guess the work train with the 250 ton crane must have been coming up from New Haven.
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Noel Weaver
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September 17th, 2007, 1:05 am #24

Assignment of the 250 ton derricks:
D-100-New Haven, D-101-Providence, D-102-Oak Point.
This was the usual assignment but if the New Haven outfit
was disabled, one of the other two would be repositioned
in New Haven until the D-100 was back in use again.
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Tom Curtin
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September 17th, 2007, 7:34 am #25

Randy write
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If I recall, there were two listed each direction. That would bring the daily total up to 24.
The ND/DN trains you speak of didn't go through New Britain, they went to Cedar Hill through Derby Jct & Devon.
There was evidently an exception, temporarily, between August 1855 and late February 1956, when those freighs were rerouted via New Britain while the flood damage on the Naugatuck was being repaired. There are photos of this job detouring in Trackside New Haven with Tom McNamara
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Noel Weaver
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September 17th, 2007, 1:58 pm #26

This is true, there were major bridges out on the Naugy at
Derby Junction, Seymour and Waterbury and big time flood
damage all the way down the valley.
The Waterbury - Hartford line had some washouts but it had
no major bridge damage and was back in operation within a
few days so freight could still reach the yard at Waterbury
and at least some of the users of the railroad as well.
Access to the portion of the railroad south of the
Naugatuck River Bridge was not available until a wooden
trestle was built for temporary use of freight trains and
switchers (and passenger trains as well when they were
first put back on in late February, 1956.
There were several pieces of equipment that were stranded
at Waterbury (the engine house area) for some time until
the temporary wooden trestle was in use. Included in this
was the observation car "Bunker Hill" which was used on a
special out of Waterbury the night of August 18th but did
not get through and they decided to send it back to
Waterbury. Some 500's, 0900's and Budd Cars were also
stuck at the engine house for a period.
Noel Weaver
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rghammill
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October 31st, 2007, 7:32 pm #27

OK, I've gotten a lot more information. The article on the Highland Line Operations was a huge help, along with the Bank Street Jct article. Here's what I've got now.
1948 and earlier had the most trains (11):
ANE-1
AO-3
AO-5
EA-2
HDX-5 Hartford-New Hartford local
NY-2
NY-4
OA-4
OA-5
YN-1
YN-3
In 1949 and 1950 a lot of trains were dropped, or rerouted due to lower freight traffic. This left a much lighter schedule (5):
HDX-5 Hartford-New Hartford local
NY-2
NY-4
YN-1
YN-3

Starting in 1951 trains were added back in due the the increase in traffic because of the Korean War (9):
AO-3 (added in spring 1951)
AO-5 (added in fall 1951)
HDX-5 Hartford-New Hartford local
NY-2
NY-4
OA-4 (added in spring 1951)
OA-5 (added in fall 1951)
YN-1
YN-3
This appears to be the schedule at least through 1953.

The Hartford-New Hartford local (HDX-5, later NX-25) was also the Hartford-Griffins local. It appears it went out in the morning to New Hartford, working industries along the way, and after it returned to Hartford it picked up cars to Griffins. The one engine assignment book lists a different locomotive, but the same caboose for the two locals. They both have the same symbol, and in the caboose listing it is listed as Hartford-New Hartford-Griffins.
All of the other locals that I thought might go through New Britain (one from Waterbury and one from New Haven) didn't, at least as far as I can tell. The Waterbury train went as far as Plainville if necesssary (and serviced the Trap Rock company), and the New Haven to Plainville local used the Canal Line.
In 1956 there is a New Haven to New Britain local, but this is beyond my era.
I don't have complete confirmation on these because I still haven't been able to get my hands on a freight symbol book of any of the years I'm focusing on. My primary focus has shifted to 1951, since there are more trains running.
I'm also looking for the engine assignments for all of these trains in the years 1948-1953, with 1951 as the most important for now.
Thanks again,
Randy
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Bill Chapin
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October 31st, 2007, 9:26 pm #28

Randy,
I have a copy of the SEPT. 28, 1952 Engine assignment book. Here are the relavent assignments:
OA 2-OA 5 2 FA-1's AND 1 FB-1 OR 2
AO 3 2 FA-1's AND 2 FB-1 OR 2
OA 4
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Bill Chapin
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October 31st, 2007, 10:00 pm #29

Let's try this again...
OA 2-AO 5 ----- 2 FA 1 FB (same set both trains)
AO 3 ---------- 2 FA 2 FB
OA 4 ---------- 2 FA 2 FB (different set)
Hartford-New Hartford Local - RS2 0503 (has Hartford line cab signaling)(0502 has this cab signaling as well - 0508 & 0513 had dual cab signals)
NY 2-YN 1 - RS3's 532 & 533
C.Hill-Westfield ret. stone ex. - RS3's 545 & 546
New Britain Yard - 44 Tonners 0802 and 0804
Here are passenger assignments as well. It is noted that Budd Cars are being put into service on these trains as they arrive on the property except for 444 and 467, the commuter train to HFD from WBY.

131-136 DL109 0700
444 - RS3 523
467 - RS3 538 (these two swapped every other day)
446-443-458-465 - RS3 555
439-150-157-460 - RS3 556

Bill
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rghammill
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October 31st, 2007, 11:07 pm #30

Thanks, Bill, exactly the type of info I'm looking for.
Of course, there are a bunch of trains I don't have any info on yet...
Is their a symbol for the Cedar Hill to Westfield train, and do you know that it went through New Britain as opposed to using the canal line?
Randy
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