Interesting Changes to Tapatalk's Privacy Policy

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rhammill
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May 29th, 2018, 5:10 pm #11

rsullivan wrote: Mr. Hammill. One thing that was in the original Tapatalk Privacy Policy when the NHRHTA Forum came under their control was Tapatalk's right to publish anything written,uploaded photo, graph, or anything else on Tapatalk for free or for fees without the originator's/writer's/owner's permission, nor is Tapatalk required to notify the originator/writer/owner of the publication or the extent the published item was disseminated. Makes you wonder where the NHRHTA Forum's archived photos went or if they were deleted because they didn't qualify for publication under Tapatalk's rules.
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I don't know what the policies were of Yuku prior to their acquisition by Tapatalk, nor what requirements there were legally in regards to differences between the two when the acquisition occurred. Even if Tapatalk chose to dump photos/videos/music from the prior platform to avoid potential copyright issues doesn't mean those have disappeared from the internet altogether, though. In the end, it's good to assume that anything you post to the internet is not private, and not protected by law unless you specifically know otherwise. Even with protection, it's difficult to ensure that it's actually private.

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May 29th, 2018, 10:30 pm #12

Now what are we going to do? Move to another place where we can have peace for socializing about the NYNH&H or are we screwed to death?
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May 30th, 2018, 8:21 am #13

Nothing. My point is simply that nothing has really changed, and I think it's important to understand that. There's not much point in getting upset because the EU required them to send you what was already posted on their site. While some specifics may have changed, and they are required to spell out more specifics than they did before, the general "rule of the public internet" hasn't changed. If you post it, or even just use the internet, you're giving up some of your privacy.

The basic policy is the same as it always has, whether we realize it or not. That's why everybody uses these free or nearly free services. People often seem to think that what they do on the internet is private, and that what they publish is owned by them. In almost every case, that's not true. But this isn't really all that different than any other public forum. If you send an article and photographs to a newspaper, unless you negotiate specific publication rights and copyrights, you've given them permission to republish as they see fit, even to your detriment.

In other words, once you make something public, you lose control of it. Copyright laws still apply, and if you can prove you didn't give them permission to republish, that's a different story. If somebody else posts something (like a photo you took) without your permission, you can fight that and request it be removed. But if that photo was copied and published on other sites, you have to go after each site individually.

Simply using public resources like the internet provides usable data to others. All of the companies involved protect the privacy of their subscribers/users, but that doesn't mean it won't be available to the law with due process. For example, whether you post here or not, your general location is recorded by the website. Not necessarily your exact physical location, but where you connect to the internet. I can pull a report that tells me state-by-state and country-by-country who visits my websites. If I'm a company (or a political organization) I can use that data to help me make decisions such as where to spend my advertising budget.

Your phone is constantly sending it's location via GPS, or if you don't share that, a more relative location based on triangulating cell towers and Wi-Fi. This data is compiled and used to help provide traffic data, for example, so you can use Google or Apple maps and know there's congestion up ahead, and you should find another route. Sp the old policy may not have spelled that out, but it has been there since the beginning, simply because of the way networks and the internet works. 

The other thing that people don't seem to consider or really understand is that the internet is a global thing. Just because we have laws that protect certain things here doesn't mean that you have the same protections world-wide. If a site in Russia, Germany, the UK, Japan, or anyplace else decides to repost your material, often the only thing that the US can do is prevent that from being visible within the US. But they can't necessarily force them to take it down without the assistance of the government where the site is physically hosted.

I don't see any reason to be alarmed, nor is there any reason to change with NHRHTA does or where we host it. Privately hosting it, installing and maintaining the forum software, etc. is expensive, and really not an option for most including, I'd assume, us. In addition, I don't really see any reason why our discussions about our favorite railroad should raise any alarms for any of us. One of the main reasons for the organization's existence is to make more information about the railroad available to all.

This isn't new, it's not news, and it's important for people to be educated about what they are using. Be smart about what you post. That's all.

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May 30th, 2018, 7:32 pm #14

Understandable, I don't even use my phone for Tapatalk and I have UBlock Origin to ad block anything in any sites. But anyways, the EU is starting to be more strange than ever with those new rules.
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May 31st, 2018, 7:30 am #15

I clicked on the OK and Continue a number of times but I still get the privacy change notifications every time I log on.
 Is this going to be the norm from now on?

  Bill 
  
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May 31st, 2018, 10:27 am #16

Maybe it's time for NHRTIA to look for a different forum provider?   (I WAS considering installing the Tapatalk app on my phone specifically for NHRTIA, will definitely NOT be doing so in light of these policies).
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May 31st, 2018, 8:15 pm #17

I don't really know if we have to find a forum provider for the NHRHTA. All I mostly know is Tapatalk
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June 1st, 2018, 7:17 am #18

A little history regarding the NHRHTA forum.

Many, many, years ago I took it upon myself to design a web site for the NHRHTA.  Nobody asked me to do this, I just did it.  The web site that I put together for the group more than twenty years or so ago is still in use today.  Shortly afterwards, I also took it upon myself to put together a web forum for the NHRHTA.  This web forum had to be reconstructed three or four times over the years as the service provider changed features and functionality.  The current incarnation of the web forum is what you see here today.

Based upon my experience with this thing over more than twenty years, there are no guarantees that any other service provider that we may migrate to will be any different than Tapatalk.  All seem to be heading in the direction of enhanced security and features optimized for service delivery via smartphones.  In addition, there is no guarantee that even if we find something that the whiners consider to be more suitable than Tapatalk, that it will not change over to time to become more like Tapatalk or even worse than Tapatalk.

My time is far more valuable today than it was twenty years ago.  I no longer have the time nor the interest to research alternative vendors and build yet another web forum for this group.  If any of you would like to do this, i.e. find an alternative web forum vendor and build a new web forum for the NHRHTA, knock yourselves out.

Marc J. Frattasio
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June 1st, 2018, 11:20 am #19

Mr. Frattasio. I wasn't complaining or whining when I started this thread. I just wanted to show some changes that could affect us.
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June 3rd, 2018, 10:19 am #20

Hey Tom, you are living way in the past it's not NHRTIA any more it's now NHRHTA.
Yes I know we probably joined this group around the same time so old memories "Die Hard" and I don't mean the first Bruce Willis film of the same name. LOL

 By the way how long ago did this change from NHRTIA to NHRHTA  just wondering? Or would our Privacy be in trouble? LMAO

 Bill
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