Get it while it's hot a custom painted New Haven electric

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May 8th, 2018, 9:35 pm #1

On EBAY right now for only $274.99 you can own a one of a kind custom painted New Haven GG-1 # 363 in the green yellow scheme, complete with DCC sound. In HO!

 Bill
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May 8th, 2018, 10:51 pm #2

Had the NH electrified to Boston in 1940, with the recommendation from Gibbs&Hill for the NH to use "GG1 type locomotives" since they were still in production for the PRR, perhaps this is what it might have looked like. One issue is the 0363 was built in 1938 as an 0361 class engine..
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Statkowski
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May 9th, 2018, 8:27 am #3

So, what's shown should have been a 370-series engine and would have been classed as an EP-5.

And the real EP-5 of later years would have become an EP-6 in a 380- or 390-series.

Of course, one could argue that the existing EP-4s and EF-3s could be viewed as GG1 type locomotives since they shared the same wheel arrangement.
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May 9th, 2018, 8:30 am #4

Brother Henry:

I would reverse that in that since the GG1s were copied from the 0351 class engines, that would make the GG1s an 0351 type engine.
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Statkowski
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May 9th, 2018, 12:21 pm #5

Well, the actual progression was EP-3 -> GG-1 -> EP-4/EF-3, so the GG-1 would be an EP-3 1/2 since it was based on an EP-3 but arrived on scene before the EP-4.

But, if engines could get renumbered to clear up a series, so then could they be reclassified.  The GG-1 would become an EP-4 and the already existing EP-4 would become an EP-5.

The GG-1 may have been based on an EP-3, but the electricals and pulling power was greatly different from either the EP-3 or EP-4, thus it would be a different class engine.
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May 9th, 2018, 7:30 pm #6

Richard Abramson wrote:Had the NH electrified to Boston in 1940, with the recommendation from Gibbs&Hill for the NH to use "GG1 type locomotives" since they were still in production for the PRR, perhaps this is what it might have looked like. One issue is the 0363 was built in 1938 as an 0361 class engine..
Great GG1 paint scheme. When I left Amtrak in Jan 1990, I went to work for Gibbs & Hill as Principal Signal Engineer. Great firm started in 1911. We had the original linen drawings of the Washington to New York catenary system in the file room. Office was across the street from Penn Station. I have some great early NHRR drawings and a full size early NH system map that was on the wall in the G&H board room.

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May 9th, 2018, 7:34 pm #7

The EP-3 was still the basis for the GG1.
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May 9th, 2018, 9:51 pm #8

Richard Abramson wrote: Had the NH electrified to Boston in 1940, with the recommendation from Gibbs&Hill for the NH to use "GG1 type locomotives" since they were still in production for the PRR, perhaps this is what it might have looked like. One issue is the 0363 was built in 1938 as an 0361 class engine..
Just curious, was it ever determined why, had electrification occurred though to Boston, G&H recommended GG1 locomotives over the EP3 locomotives?  I'm thinking long-distance capability was a major factor.

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Statkowski
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May 9th, 2018, 11:05 pm #9

Technology.  Although the GG-1 essentially had the same running gear as the EP-3, the electricals under the hood were somewhat different and allowed for more horsepower to be generated and used.  The EP-3 was 1920s technology, the GG-1 1930s.  The GG-1 was the newest kid on the block, with the EP-4s just coming on line when the recommendation was formulated and presented.

For today's crowd, that's like the difference between a cell phone ten years ago and today.  Is "cell phone" now passé?  Don't know, don't have one, or whatever that wireless stuff is that people glue their faces to while they walk, or drive.
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May 17th, 2018, 5:58 pm #10

Good comparison between a cell phone and smart phone.  Would that would make the EP-2 a push button analog phone and an EP-1 a rotory phone?

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