General American G85 Flatcar in HO Scale

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General American G85 Flatcar in HO Scale

James Fellows
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09 Feb 2018, 18:19 #1

Walthers has just announced these cars, due out in about 1 year.  No NH cars listed, but maybe NHRHTA can convince them to do some NH cars.

https://www.walthers.com/search/page/2? ... 85+Flatcar+

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rsullivan
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09 Feb 2018, 18:34 #2

The early drawing for the car shows an open center with crossbracing, and a raised pair of rails. While the length, trailer hitches, brake type (ratchet instead of Equipco wheel), and the decking is incorrect for the Clejan piggyback flatcars series 18100-18299, they might make good donor cars for kitbashing. I would like to see a pre-production photo before I committed to buying one to try out. Just an observation.
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Statkowski
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09 Feb 2018, 18:56 #3

Well, Walthers is showing REA, AT&SF, SP and PC.  Besides these and the NYNH&H, who else had them?  NP had them, which means they would have become BN.  And the PC ones were probably ex-NYNH&H cars.

Second question, can one assume (a dangerous word) that the REA and NYNH&H were passenger equipped?

Last question, did the NYNH&H use REA G-85s?
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James Fellows
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09 Feb 2018, 19:32 #4

rsullivan wrote: The early drawing for the car shows an open center with crossbracing, and a raised pair of rails. While the length, trailer hitches, brake type (ratchet instead of Equipco wheel), and the decking is incorrect for the Clejan piggyback flatcars series 18100-18299, they might make good donor cars for kitbashing. I would like to see a pre-production photo before I committed to buying one to try out. Just an observation.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
Richard,

These are not Clejan cars, but the cars the NH leased to replace the Clejan cars.  They are a general purpose piggyback cars.  I believe Pacific Fruit Express may have owned some as well.

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NHRHTA1
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09 Feb 2018, 21:04 #5

The New Haven first leased an then bought the G-85 class cars with NH reporting marks they were not Clejans. these cars had 2 ACF designed 5th wheel hitches and also were equipped for service in passenger trains hence signal and steam lines (metallic’s).
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rsullivan
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09 Feb 2018, 23:02 #6

Thanks Mr. Jim. I know they aren't Clejan piggyback flatcars. I know the G-85 85' flatcars were acquired afterwards from reading serveral sources. When I saw the overhead view on the Walthers' site showing the open center with the center beams extending above the car flooring with the crossbracing sheet metal, I immediately thought kitbashing time. Using one to kitbash by removing the decking and shortening the length from 85' to 79'6", I feel it would make using Mr. Marc Frattasio's "Modeling the New Haven: The 18000 and 18100 Series Clejan Type Piggy Back Flat Cars in HO Scale" in Shoreliner, vol. 17, iss. 2, a lot easier. Especially with all the styrene and etched metal walkways available. Page 24 of that issue shows G-85 NH #16023 of the fifty General American G-85 flatcars series 16000 - 16049. How the centerbeams extend above the deck is clearly visible and matches the Walthers pre-production drawing. I didn't know they had two ACF trailer hitches that folded down between the center beams until today. Since I'm trying to stop my modeling date at 1959, the NH series shouldn't interest me. But, I have one EF-4 and serveral (I'm not sure if I made all six) of the PS-1 50' plugdoor boxcars that I kitbashed with individually carved end ribs, cushioned underframes, and unfortunately an oversized door that was available commercially at the time in 1992. I placed each letter in the circle by hand to make the P-S Hydroframe Cushioned logo. So, I might slip and buy some to make into NH 16000 series flatcars too. However, I'm still seriously looking at them as donors for a kitbashing session into the Clejans.
Richard (short form) #3967
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jkasey
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10 Feb 2018, 00:59 #7

The following information was taken from an article on the Clejans in the Mainline Modeler September 1994 issue:

Three hundred production cars were built by Pullman-Standard at their Butler,
PA plant in 1956. The cars were financed by a new company in
New York called Piggyback Inc., who then leased the cars to
the participating railroads. 

Lot      Road     Qty            Series
8296    NH       200           18100-18299
8339    KCS     50             700-749
8339A  Erie      50             7800-784 

According to the NH Color Guide to Freight & Passenger cars fifty of the 18100s were leased to the Southern Pacific in 1960 with the remainder being returned to the lessing company in 1963.

John
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