FL 9s In Storage??

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FL 9s In Storage??

Gaffer
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March 17th, 2018, 10:33 am #1

I read on the Trains magazine web site that Amtrak is considering running Empire Service trains into Grand Central again this summer as work continues at Penn Station. the article stated that Amtrak is considering bringing FL 9s out of storage and refurbishing them for the purpose.

It came as a surprise to me that there are any FL9s in storage apart from rail museum samples.

Can anyone fill me in on this story?
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March 17th, 2018, 3:20 pm #2

The six FL9 m's belonging to Conn. Dot have been stored in New Haven since 2009, when they were replaced by newer locomotives. They are painted in the original NH color scheme and were rebuilt extensively in the 90's. Conn Dot owns them and I believe they will be leased to Amtrak.

The numbers are Conn Dot 2011 ex NH 2038
                                                 2014             2041
                                                 2016             2044
                                                 2024             2058
                                                 2026             2007
                                                 2027             2015
Hope this answers your question. A lot more info is available on Railroad.net forum site under Metro-North

John Donovan
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March 18th, 2018, 9:53 pm #3

Why the special need for FL9s?  Are the newer Amtrash engines too big for Grand Central's tunnels or too heavy for the Park Avenue Viaduct?
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March 19th, 2018, 1:53 pm #4

I can confirm this to be to true I have a amtrak freind who runs shuttles on the springfield line and at the amherst show he told me he heard rumors amtrak was planning on bringing back the fl9s for that same service  . if this to true love them or hate them long live the fl9s :)
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March 19th, 2018, 3:30 pm #5

The New Haven Railroad - takes a licking, keeps on ticking.
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March 21st, 2018, 3:13 pm #6

fl92048 wrote: The six FL9 m's belonging to Conn. Dot have been stored in New Haven since 2009, when they were replaced by newer locomotives. They are painted in the original NH color scheme and were rebuilt extensively in the 90's. Conn Dot owns them and I believe they will be leased to Amtrak.

The numbers are Conn Dot 2011 ex NH 2038
                                                 2014             2041
                                                 2016             2044
                                                 2024             2058
                                                 2026             2007
                                                 2027             2015
Hope this answers your question. A lot more info is available on Railroad.net forum site under Metro-North

John Donovan
Thanks. I did not know this.
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March 30th, 2018, 12:21 pm #7

I was in New Haven earlier today & observed from a building next to the yard that there were only four FL9s there. Couldn't tell the numbers though. I also saw one of units in the new scheme as well.

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April 2nd, 2018, 7:18 pm #8

Since the Shore Line East equipment going to be moved to the new New Haven to Springfield line, I really expected the FL-9 to be used. Is that true or is it going to be scrapped?
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April 10th, 2018, 12:59 pm #9

Solomon Shtrom wrote: Since the Shore Line East equipment going to be moved to the new New Haven to Springfield line, I really expected the FL-9 to be used. Is that true or is it going to be scrapped?
Connecticut DOT's plan to use Shore Line East equipment on the new commuter operation between NH and Springfield has been cancelled.  The original plan was to shift some M-8's from the NH-GCT line to Shore Line East to replace the cars going to the NH-Springfield line.  But two problems have developed:  First, commuter loading on the NH-GCT line has increased to the point where all the M-8's are needed there.  Second, even if M-8's were available, they would not be able to move onto certain storage tracks and passing tracks -- the Shore Line East running tracks are electrified of course, but not the sidings.  Amtrak was supposed to have completed this electrification work by now, but they are claiming that their construction crews had to be diverted to the other project, getting the second track re-installed on the NH-Springfield line.  

Right now lots of finger pointing between Amtrak and Conn DOT over this problem.  In the meantime, Conn DOT has purchased 16 second hand coaches from the Boston commuter authority MBTA.  These will be used on the NH-Springfield line, but first they need overhauls -- that's why MBTA had retired those cars, the high cost and lengthy time required for necessary overhauls.  It's no surprise to anyone but Conn DOT that the overhauls are taking a long time and right now the announced May startup of service is in serious jeopardy.  
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April 10th, 2018, 3:19 pm #10

It has now been reported that the FL 9s will be used as a "cab car" but will always be coupled to the front of the train. The power engine will be an Amtrak engine on the rear.

The reason for this is that the FL 9 has a front nose escape door to be used in the Grand Central tunnel should the train need to be evacuated. apparently the Amtrak engines lack this feature.
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