Another Faux New Haven Train Set From The Past

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Another Faux New Haven Train Set From The Past

rsullivan
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Joined: 14 Dec 2016, 20:36

03 Nov 2017, 05:46 #1

I just received a product  announcement from Con-Cor that includes a blast from the past, faux Herbert Matter new image New Haven Railroad passenger car paint scheme applied to smooth side streamline cars that use the Pullman Standard stainless steel streamline passenger car names and heavyweight combine. Here is the image provided in the flier.
Con-Cor's Faux New Haven Passenger Set.jpg
Con-Cor's Faux New Haven Passenger Train Set


The flier reads, "Con-Cor has found in the back of the warehouse some of the cars used in our Collector Set 0001-8517 we made in the early 1990's (over 20 years ago).
This is a non-powered display set only and only a very few are available.
The original set made in early 1990's also had a other cars, but we have non of the other cars left, sorry.
We also have no more of the Con-Cor Powered PA-1's, so this set has two dummy PA-1's. (Maybe you can find a Con-Cor powered PA-1 at a Train show or eBay etc. The shells would be interchangeable with these New Haven Shells. (Also note if you wanted to run on "DCC" you would need to get one of the Con-Cor PA-1's made after 2001 and have "Made in China" on the bottom of the fuel tank. Earlier Con-Cor PA-1's are NOT convertible to "DCC" use.
This paint scheme on the New Haven was used from late 1940's and into the 1950's.
No box for this set either, will come wrapped in soft plastic bubble wrap.
Sold as a Complete set only and consists of 7 pieces as follows:
1) All items will come with authentic Micro-Trains operating couplers.
2) Consists of:
-- 2 "N" Con-Cor non-powered PA-1 (#0760 and #0781)
-- 1 Heavyweight Baggage Car ( Rivarossi tooling)
-- 2 Smooth side Pullman cars (Roton Point & Manomet Point)
-- 1 Dining Car (Myles Standish)
-- 1 Rear of train observation car (Bunker Hill)"

Remember, Con-Cor did an outstanding and very reasonably priced accurate rendition of the Comet, even though you could get add-on cars that were never made. This is just the company cleaning out its warehouse of old merchandise and making it available to collectors. Yes, I have learned thair are Faux New Haven Railroad Scheme Collectors from reading this Forum. For those interested in collecting one of these faux series of cars/locomotives, here is the web address: https://www.con-cor.com/website/product ... -as-shown/. There maybe be sticker shock when you click on the link.
Enjoy the discussion.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
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day10s
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Joined: 25 Feb 2008, 18:05

03 Nov 2017, 12:35 #2

Thank goodness I got mine when they first came out!
The PA's look just fine, but the cars make for some interesting conversation.
Con-Cor did also make a nice "Cranberry" DL-109 set with a well done locomotive and a similar assortment of "conversation starter" streamlined cars.
At least at that time I got powered units.

Reggie Day   L-2021
(aka Mr. Non Haven)
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Statkowski
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Joined: 05 Mar 2003, 09:39

03 Nov 2017, 12:50 #3

Exactly what type of Pullman car would those two "Point" cars be?
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day10s
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Joined: 25 Feb 2008, 18:05

03 Nov 2017, 13:15 #4

From my experience, while model railroad manufacturers can tend to use their imaginations quite freely, they have over the years produced New Haven inspired pieces and paint schemes before the railroad ever did or even at all. Along that line, the NH did consider a duplex sleeper with an assortment of spaces (rmt-sect-br) as part of the PS fluted side lightweights but cancelled the order. Who knows? Maybe the NH would have gone in with PRR on a smooth side car (ala B&M and BAR with the NH on the "Beaches") and this would have been the result. Curiously the scheme Con-Cor used was the reverse of the scheme the NH actually used on several of the lightweight coaches.
The New Haven was an interesting, innovative, and colorful outfit to say the least, and there never seems to be an end to speculation as to what "might have been".
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rsullivan
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Joined: 14 Dec 2016, 20:36

03 Nov 2017, 14:45 #5

Mr. Statkowski. Rivarossi Pullman sleeper car images don't match those two cars, and a search of the Con-Cor N Scale catalog lists them only as N SmoothSide Sleeper. Mr. Day10s mentioned about the canceled duplex slpeeper order, and Mr.Geoffrey H. Doughty's The New Haven Railroad's Streamline Passenger Fleet 1934 - 1953 (2000) has that proposed car's diagram on page 77. It has 12 windows in the duplex section, all facing the same way (with one upper window shorter than the rest). The Rivarossi HO scale model of the "Double Decker Sleeper" has the windows alternating in direction, so it doesn't match the proposed NH car. Mr. Day10s also mentioned going in with another railroad, so I went to Brass Car Sides and looked for a matching car side. Those two "Point" series sleeper cars match Great Northern 1947 Empire Builder "Pass" 8-4-4 Pullman (1160 - series) w/skirts, item#173-68. That appeared to be the only match. The "Pass" series Pullmans were built by Pullman-Standard in 1947 and 1950 to plan 4107. So, that is the most I can find out about the two "Point" series sleepers.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
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DBrion
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Joined: 21 Jun 2006, 05:52

05 Nov 2017, 00:28 #6

I wonder if Con-Cor's color scheme was inspired by the similar Athearn scheme from 1959 (except Athearn used a white letterboard and black roof.)  The white roof makes the Con-Cor set look too toy-like.  Chuck this onto the GROAN pile.
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jwcostello
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Joined: 03 Aug 2009, 01:45

05 Nov 2017, 00:55 #7

I knew the set was wrong when they came out and luckily was NOT tempted to buy one.. Even more particular these days.

Jim
Modelling the NH in N scale down under
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rsullivan
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Joined: 14 Dec 2016, 20:36

05 Nov 2017, 01:58 #8

You are probably talking about this Athearn model's faux New Haven paint scheme Mr. DBrion.
Athearn's non-New Haven dome passenger car from yesteryear and days gone by.jpg
Athearn's faux New Haven dome passenger car with similar faux New Haven paint scheme from yesteryear.
Athearn's faux New Haven dome passenger car with similar faux New Haven paint scheme from yesteryear.


Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
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rsullivan
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Joined: 14 Dec 2016, 20:36

05 Nov 2017, 02:16 #9

Mr. Costello. Out of curiosity, wouldn't the coriolis effect change the direction of the colours in the opposite direction the same way it makes the water rotate in the opposite direction. The way the water goes to the right up north, yet goes to the left at your home. So, could it be permissible for the colours to also go in the opposite direction, making the red on the bottom and the black on top not a faux paint scheme for you? Okay, so I'm a dag.
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member 33967
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jwcostello
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Joined: 03 Aug 2009, 01:45

05 Nov 2017, 05:30 #10

You know I have never noticed that, I know the water down a drain plug goes in a different direction but still runs in a river to the sea . I see the photos ,books & models I have purchased whilst at a reunion or convention and when I get back home they are the same. The photos on this topic are upright to me and not upside down or the colours changed. There must be some magic that allows me to sit upright as I type this and not fall off the chair, actually I can walk upright and my models run on track and don't fall into space as we are 'down under'. It's strange that when I go to the US and visited you we can look at each other in the eyes...I am not  looking at your feet and walking on my head..strange or magic?
Actually, if you think about it,how can a person in the South Pole  be able to walk vertically as one in the North pole.
Just saying!

Jim
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