A "Matter" of Time

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A "Matter" of Time

Joined: June 13th, 2003, 4:27 pm

January 14th, 2018, 7:27 am #1

I'm sure I am not alone in being amazed that the tenure of the revived Matter livery in the early '80s, first seen on  a small group of FL9s on Metro North, has endured more than twice as long as the scheme did originally  on the New Haven Railroad (fourteen short years, by my reckoning). 

According to a news brief in the February 2018 issue of TRAINS magazine, the renaissance has about had its day. Coincident with the significant upgrading of the New Haven-Hartford-Sproingfied line this year, the Connecticut transportation agency will be rebranding its equipment under the name of "C-Trail." It is suggested that there will be one common livery for everything. 

If true, it will be sad to see the New Haven image leave us (again), but my goodness, who could have anticipated it would have carried on this long?

Derek Thompson
Toronto, Ontario

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Statkowski
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January 14th, 2018, 8:41 am #2

"C-Trail"?  That's the best they could come up with?  The state's essentially bankrupt, hasn't had a balanced budget since Lord knows when, and they spend a gob of cash to come up with "C-Trail"?
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frn1963
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January 14th, 2018, 10:10 am #3

CT-rail, actually, and the name was in the works long before the (current) fiscal crisis. Better, but still mediocre.


Fred Nangle
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January 14th, 2018, 12:08 pm #4

frn1963 wrote: CT-rail, actually, and the name was in the works long before the (current) fiscal crisis.  Better, but still mediocre.


Fred Nangle
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Sometime between 2002-4, I attended a presentation by Peter Lynch at the Hamden public library.  Jim (?) Finch, a NH official, was there too. What surprised me was how many who attended referred to the New Haven as 'our" railroad.  it would be nice if public opinion would cause CT to keep the NH Matter image.  
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Statkowski
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January 14th, 2018, 12:27 pm #5

If Newtown, Connecticut can go with the Matter scheme, there's no reason CT-Rail, or C-Trail can't either.

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Joined: June 13th, 2003, 4:27 pm

January 14th, 2018, 2:20 pm #6

frn1963 wrote: CT-rail, actually, and the name was in the works long before the (current) fiscal crisis.  Better, but still mediocre.


Fred Nangle
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I won't dispute what you say, Fred. You will know more about this than I.  I did take the moniker "CTrain" from the aforementioned TRAINS news brief (page 12-February 2018), in which it is mentioned in this fashion on three occasions, by Scott Harley. We shall have to wait the appropriately branded equipment. 

Derek Thompson
Toronto, Ontario

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Bill Reidy
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January 14th, 2018, 3:27 pm #7

This apparently is the logo CT is using for the New Haven - Hartford - Springfield Rail Program:

Hartford_Line_logo_small.jpg

Who knows if this will replace the Matter scheme, or will be used on any equipment at all as small herald.

Correcting my post since I missed the OP's statement that CT has definitely made the decision on a new livery.  Yes, CT should be commended on using the Matter livery all these years.  I guess we'll see if there's any public reaction to the change.

Project info on the New Haven - Hartford - Springfield line project at http://www.nhhsrail.com/
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rsullivan
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January 14th, 2018, 5:33 pm #8

    While some may not care for the “Matter” schemes, that the Connecticut Department of Transportation (ConnDOT) decided to apply the original and correct scheme to the FL-9’s was heralded by the NHRHTA since the time I first joined in 1993. The cover photo of NHRHTA Newsletter (NL), vol. 21, no. 4, is titled “1963?” and shows FL-9’s 2016 and 2006 in 1993 at Danbury and claimed it could easily have been 1963. As the rebuilds arrived they were reported, such as #2024 shown on page 7 of NL, vol. 21, no. 7. ConnDOT’s adoption of the “Matter” based McGinnis era schemes was shown in the photo spread on pages 5 through 7 of NL vol.23, no.2, showing not only the FL-9 rebuilds, but also F-7 #6690 and GP40 #6697 of the #6694-6699 series, all in a variation of a “Matter” scheme. Another NL that show pictures of ConnDOT equipment in “Matter” colors (colours/couleurs for Mr. Dereks sake) is vol. 23, no. 3-8, pages 7, 8 and 10. NHRHTA Bulletin (NB) no. 19 has pictures and the article by Mr. Chris Pey titled “Farewell To The FL-9.” NB no. 27 has pictures and the article by Mr. Chris Pey titled “New Metro North-CDOT “New Haven” Locomotives Arrive” about the four GE P32AC-DM with a “Matter” like “…paint scheme [that] is intended as a nod to the past, with changes to reflect the passage of time.” NB no. 30 has pictures and the article by Mr. Chris Pey titled “Final Farewell To The FL-9.” Other pictures of ConnDOT equipment were in NB no. 21, page 7, NB no. 26, page 8, and NB no. 31, page 7. Photos of ConnDOT FL-9’s were winning contests at reunions NB no. 17, NB no. 20, NB no. 26, and NB no. 29. ConnDOT equipment was also featured in other publications.  Block Line, vol. 14, no. 4., with a picture of FL-9 #2006 on page 13, Railpace Newsmagazine, vol. 33, no. 12, with a airfanning picture a “Matter” scheme comfort-cab equipped locomotive pulling four passenger cars near Gatchen Creek just west of Westbrook, CT., and Railfan & Railroad, vol. 33, no. 4, has pictures on pages 29 and 31 of FL-9 #2019 at the North Carolina Transportation Museum at Spencer, NC, in the article by Mr. Steve Barry titled “Streamliners at Spencer.” The Shoreliner has also covered ConnDOT’s efforts in various issues.
    Many have often commented, myself maybe chief amongst them, on the faux or non-New Haven paint schemes being applied to models and equipment not used by the New Haven Railroad on the Forum quite often. Myself, I don’t post to be negative about the paint scheme on the model or full-size equipment. But, I do it to share what I have seen in someone’s effort to apply the bright colors of the “Matter” schemes (or other schemes) in other places. I recall that Champion Decal Company had a “Matter” decal set for a 50’ boxcar with red and white NH herald. So, I bought 15 sets of decals and 15 Athearn 50’ single door steel boxcars thinking I was going to model the NH’s 15 50’ boxcars. I eagerly did one up by the paint diagram with the decal set, then found out that there was no such scheme used by the NH and the cars were double door PS-1’s. That was back in 1991, and I held onto the decals until just last year when I donated them to Mr. Dave Clinton for the discretional sales as “could have been New Haven.” Mr. Clinton told me that they were placed for sale on the NHRHTA table at shows. My tribute to Mr. Matter is shown below.
This long-winded comment on ConnDOT’s use of “Matter” schemes, along with non-New Haven uses by others is to say Thank you ConnDOT for keeping the Spirit of the New Haven alive for so long! Thanks Mr. Derek for letting us know that ConnDOT has suspended the use of “Matter” schemes on their equipment. May the silver-grey pinstripes on warm orange and hunter green possibly be in the future plans with ConnDOT? (I know the pinstripes are expensive. But, one could dream.)
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Here is my effort with a could have been "Matter" scheme boxcar back in 1991.

Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
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Joined: June 13th, 2003, 4:27 pm

January 15th, 2018, 6:42 am #9

A noble effort, Mr. Sullivan, 


Derek Thompson
Toronto, Ontario

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rsullivan
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January 15th, 2018, 10:13 am #10

Derek Thompson wrote: A noble effort, Mr. Sullivan, 


Derek Thompson
Toronto, Ontario

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Thank you Mr. Derek. I just returned stateside, and was still brush painting and finishing with a spray of Dullcoat® back then. My skills have improved since then (my opinion).
Richard (short form)
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