A Couple of Consists for all NH fans

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A Couple of Consists for all NH fans

RanchoBob
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11 Oct 2017, 14:30 #1

ūüėȬ†From our own email consist round table, I offer the two following consists of THE PATRIOT¬† ¬†(Consist supplied and researched by Mike Savchak of the Konsist Klub from PRR sheets)

Sunday, October 25, 1964, we first have PRR # 174, the NB Patriot, out of Washington DC en route to NY and then Boston. This train departed Washington on time at 1:45 PM EST. All cars originated at Washington.

 
The first nine cars were all destined for Boston, while the tenth car would be set off at New Haven and the eleventh car would be set off at New York.
 
The first two cars were both post war American Flyer parlor cars with each car having 36 reclining, revolving chairs. NH 306 Cranston and 302 Mansfield were both built by P-S at Worcester MA in 1948.
 
NH 205 Plymouth County was a parlor bar lounge car with three drawing rooms, a buffet bar, 29 lounge seats and two day roomettes. This car was built by P-S at Worcester MA in 1948. As built, it had a baggage room in place of two of the drawing rooms. In October 1953, P-S Worcester rebuilt the car, exchanging the baggage room for two drawing rooms, as well as making minor changes to the interior. This car would eventually be sold to Amtrak.
 
NH 905 Myles Standish was a single unit post war American Flyer dining car that could seat between 36 to 48 patrons. It was built by P-S at Chicago in 1949. While ostensibly a lightweight car, it was heavy enough to require being fitted with six wheel outside swing hanger trucks.
 
NH 7205 (ex 312 Attleboro) was a 72 reclining seat coach. It was originally built by P-S at Worcester MA in 1948 as a 52 seat parlor car. The 2-1 seat configuration was not popular and by 1949 the car was reconfigured as a 36 chair car. In May 1964, the car exchanged its parlor chairs for 72 reclining seats. This was done in anticipation of increased coach travel to and from the NY World’s Fair. This car would also be purchased by Amtrak.
 
NH 8615, 8634, 8652, 8626, and 8609 were all post war American Flyer coaches with each car having 64 reclining seats and a 14 seat smoking lounge. They were built by P-S at Worcester MA in 1947-48 and had twin vestibules, large sealed windows, and chrome framed Heywood-Wakefield seats with blue plush upholstery.
 
PRR 1587 was a P85H ‚ÄúCongo‚ÄĚ coach with 60 reclining seats and a 14 seat smoking lounge. It was built by Budd in 1951.
 
Our next consist is that of PRR # 175, the SB Patriot, out of NY en route to Washington DC. This train originated at Boston. At NY, the through cars for C&O # 3, the F. F. V.  were added to the consist. This train departed NY 23 minutes late at 6:08 PM. As noted on the CT-220, it would lose further time at Trenton where the 15th car would have to be cut out of the consist.
 
The first five cars would all become part of the consist of C&O # 3, the F. F. V., at Washington.
 
C&O 1623 was a 52 reclining seat coach built by P-S in 1950. It was destined for Ashland KY.
 
C&O 2625 City of Lexington was a plan 4167 10-6 built by P-S in 1950. It was destined for Huntington WV.
 
C&O 2802 Natural Bridge and 2800 Homestead were both plan 4168 11 double bedroom sleepers built by P-S in 1950. The first of these cars was destined for White Sulphur Springs WV, while the second was destined for Hot Springs VA. These were the station stops for the Greenbrier and Homestead resorts. These cars would be sold to the SCL in 1970 and 1969 respectively.
 
C&O 1921 was a diner observation lounge car built by Budd in 1948. Built for the ill fated ‚ÄúChessie‚ÄĚ, this car would provide dining and beverage service to the C&O passengers and would be set off at Charlottesville VA.
 
The next nine cars all originated at Boston and were all destined for Washington DC.
 
NH 305 Woonsocket (ex Rowayton) and 304 Hartford were both post war American Flyer parlor cars with each car having 36 reclining, revolving chairs and a single vestibule. They were both built by P-S at Worcester MA in 1948. The first car had its name changed in June 1949.
 
NH 209 Kings County was parlor bar lounge with 3 drawing rooms, buffet bar, 28 lounge seats, and two day roomettes. It was built by P-S at Worcester MA in 1948, but with a baggage room in place of two drawing rooms. The car was rebuilt by P-S in October 1953 when the baggage room was replaced by the two drawing rooms and the existing drawing room was modified by removal of its toilet facilities.
 
NH 906 John Alden was a single unit post war American Flyer dining car. It could seat between 36 to 48 patrons and it was built by P-S at Chicago. Of the ten such cars built, each car had a differently decorated interior.
 
NH 7203 (ex 310 Torrington) was a 72 reclining seat coach. It was built as a 36 chair parlor car by P-S at Worcester MA in 1948. The car traded its parlor chairs for 72 reclining seats in May 1964.
 
NH 8627, 8656, 8623, and 8648 were all post war American Flyer coaches with each car having 64 reclining seats and a 14 seat smoking lounge. They were all built by P-S at Worcester MA in 1947-48. Unlike the single vestibule parlor cars, the coaches all had twin vestibules.
 
NH 8361 and 8282 were both pre war American Flyer coaches with each car having 92 non reclining, flip over seats. They were built by P-S Worcester in 1938 and 1936 respectively. Both of these cars were added on at New Haven and were destined for Washington, albeit, NH 8361 would be cut out at Trenton for some mechanical/electrical issue.
 
PRR 1524 (ex B. F. Jones ex James Hay Reed ex Tyrone Inn) and 1546 (ex William Thaw ex Chester Inn) were both P85L lightweight coaches with each car having 64 reclining seats and a 12 seat smoking lounge. Both cars were built by Budd in 1949 as plan 9513 21 roomette sleepers for the PRR. They were taken out of Pullman lease in early 1963 and after having their interiors stripped out at Altoona, they were sent back to Budd where they were rebuilt into coaches. Both of these cars were added on at NY and they would be set off at Baltimore.
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Statkowski
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Joined: 05 Mar 2003, 09:39

11 Oct 2017, 17:37 #2

I think it would appropriate to object to Mr. Savchak's use of "American Flyer" cars when referring to the postwar stainless steel fleet.  Although similar in many ways, the A.C. Gilbert Co. never modeled them.  And, since the C&O's postwar coaches also came from the same factory as the New Haven's cars, and were similar in basic design, could they, too, be referred to as "American Flyer" cars?  I think not.
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RanchoBob
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Joined: 17 Oct 2016, 12:22

11 Oct 2017, 19:11 #3

I'll bring that up to Mike...I happen to agree.
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Vandibe
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Joined: 20 Mar 2017, 21:57

11 Oct 2017, 20:33 #4

In any case, thank you for posting. Exactly what someone like me (a novice) needed (a plain language description) in order to put a passenger consist into perspective. Glad I ordered all those Rapido Parlors now! And it gives me license to pick up another PRR car or two to add some color...
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PJ McArdle
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Joined: 09 Dec 2006, 09:40

12 Oct 2017, 01:47 #5

Mr. Statkowski, Thank you for clarifying the use of the term, 'American Flyer";   I was confused reading the original post everytime an "American Flyer" car was mentioned as built in the post War period, but your post made it all clear to me, that the consist listed was essentially all SS cars, built by P-S as part of the post war series of cars.  Now,  the C & O  Train # 3 - was that the Frankfurt, Framingham and Valparaiso Express?
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RanchoBob
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12 Oct 2017, 12:31 #6

C&O #3, the F.F.V.   Ok...sometimes called the FLYING FAST VIRGINIAN, or sometimes called the FIRST FAMILIES OF VIRGINIA.   I am not really sure which was correct but those who follow the PRR will know that it was not unusual for the Pennsy to stick the New York to (Florida, Virginia, Louisville, Atlanta) cars of the ACL, SAL, SOU and C&O onto the consists of trains like THE PATRIOT as far as Washington, DC.   
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Statkowski
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Joined: 05 Mar 2003, 09:39

12 Oct 2017, 13:17 #7

I've heard mention of another meaning for F.F.V., but it was not something suitable for mixed company.
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RanchoBob
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12 Oct 2017, 14:24 #8

Statkowski wrote: I've heard mention of another meaning for F.F.V., but it was not something suitable for mixed company.
Oh, I spoke with Mr. Savchak about your comment and he said "It's my consist list and I'll call them whatever I want".     So much for accuracy.     I still agree with you.
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rsullivan
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Joined: 14 Dec 2016, 20:36

13 Oct 2017, 01:50 #9

Mr. Savchak brought a laugh out of me.¬†ūüėÜ
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
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edindestin
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Joined: 21 Jul 2003, 06:42

13 Oct 2017, 02:18 #10

rsullivan wrote: Mr. Savchak brought a laugh out of me.¬†ūüėÜ
Richard H. Sullivan, Jr.  member #3967
If memory serves, the C&O RR called the train Fast Flying Virginian.
Ed
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