Length Perceptions

Joined: 4:31 AM - May 01, 2006

8:33 AM - Aug 04, 2018 #1

I've noticed that long hair lovers often underesimate how long their hair is in that they often feel it's not long and can sometimes be pleasantly surprised when they see a photo from the back. Anyone with me on this?

What has been really strange is that those who favour short hair often overestimate how long it was before they got it cut. In the past fortnight I have spoken to two women I know who have cut their hair short (and are loving it) and both tried to tell me that their hair was waist length before they cut. Ah, no. For both, I saw their hair down on occasion and one was BSL and the other APL. Yes they were eiher wavy or curly but the one at BSL I saw her hair straightened and it was still not at waist.

It was just interesting that they both thought their hair was longer than it really was (maybe because they found it hard to manage? - both said that was their reason for cutting) but for me - and probably a lot of other long hairs - we don't think our hair is particularly long.


Hair Journey Began in June 2006 ...

Hair Type: 2a/M/ii
Hair Colour: Dark brown with natural red and silver highlights (more silver than red nowadays)
Starting length: 25"/62.5cm (BSL)
Initial Goal length: 36" (Tailbone)
Setback: Major shed in 2010 when at 38"
New Goal: Healthy hair that I'm happy with! (Preferably tailbone with thick hemline.)

Current Routine
CWCA: C = condition the length with conditioner or shea butter; W = wash the scalp using diluted organic shampoo; Condition = small amount of conditioner on ends; A = acidic rinse, either ACV or citric acid; Frequency = once a week. In-between times, scalp washes as required.
Tips for super soft hair = Wash with Miracle Water. Finish up with LOC (Liquid = water; Oil = almond/olive/avocado oils; Cream = aloe vera gel)
Other: Regular micro-trims; light oiling on dry hair a few times a week; BBB; wooden comb; Mason Pearson comb; hair sticks, Flexi-8's, Ficcare, and other hair friendly toys.


'Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfailing beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.' 1 Peter 3:3-4
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Fox
Joined: 7:14 AM - Jan 13, 2003

3:27 AM - Aug 05, 2018 #2

I think this is true! I know for myself I don’t ever feel my hair is that long, only seeing pictures from the back have helped. And I agree with those with short hair tending to say their hair was longer than it was! I wonder if it's because we want longer hair so we see ours as not being as long as we want, while they want short and even mid length seems extra long to them? Maybe it’s what we want that influences how we perceive length. Interesting!
-Fox
Starting my growing journey all over again after health issues took a major toll on my hair.
17/25.5/35+ - Type 2C-3bMii Somewhat fine, wavy (with corkscrew curls on the underneath layer), natural color is light brown with gold and red highlights. Previously used henna for years, but had it highlighted out over a couple of years. Currently trying to decide what to do as far as continuing with that to keep up the roots or doing something different.

Products Used:
Aubrey Organics S&C - my most favorite, but currently using Neways Second Chance Shampoo, SheaMoisture's High Porosity Moisture-Seal Masque,
Sally Beauty Generic Value Product's version of Matrix Biolage conditioner (as a leave in, not rinsed out)
Aubrey Organics Chia Gel
Vinegar/herbal rinses
Oils: Jojoba, Castor, Coconut & essential oils
MP Popular Mix Brush
MP & Madora wide tooth combs
Vitamins/Minerals/Herbal supplements

"Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Choose your words, for they become actions. Understand your actions, for they become habits. Study your habits, they will become your character. Develop your character for it becomes your destiny."
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Joined: 7:22 AM - Feb 24, 2004

5:30 AM - Aug 07, 2018 #3

I think you're right. I know that when I saw a pic of the back of my hair last year I was surprised at its length. And once I was at the store and I overheard two women, one older and one young, and the older woman told the younger how long, long, long her hair had gotten. I turned around to get a gander at the long, long, long hair and it was bsl! Well, needless to say I was perplexed. But, we who love very long hair and read about it and share a real interest in it with others who are like-minded have a different concept of long. 

By the way, I'm super sad tonight because I went to YouTube to look up the Jackie Bun. The Jackie girl is gone and all her videos are down. I just felt so bummed that her videos were greyed out, not available. I even bought some of the songs she played in the background (All My Tears, Be Washed Away). There are other apostolic hair videos but hers were the best. Authentic. I liked her too. So sad! ...I've been fussing with my hair and now I ordered some hair spray and I think I need new bobby pins. This slick hair of mine is makin' me mad tonight. I have to lay on the product to get anything to hold or everything just slides right down and out. Pfft. Disgusted tonight.
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Joined: 8:52 PM - Nov 11, 2009

3:07 PM - Aug 07, 2018 #4

I also think your observation is right, Jules. I've noticed it in the long hair circuit and also in myself - we tend to perceive our hair as shorter than in reality. It may be because were used to the length and managing it, so we think of it as shorter than it really is. Photos from the back help, but for me, the real awareness of my length comes from moments when my ends brush against my skin. Since I rarely have my hair down, those moments really put things into perspective!
Hair type: 2b/M/C/iii
Current length: classic+
Current goal: knee

Current routine:
~ alternating a NW/SO (no water/sebum only) routine with occasional washes. I use the techniques of NW/SO (brushing, scritching and preening) almost daily, but I do a shampoo wash every month or two.

Products and tools:
~ Alverde Birke-Salbei shampoo
~ occasionally oiling the ends with either coconut or almond oil; currently experimenting with argan oil
~ an assortment of BBBs
~ Tangle Teezer/Tangle Angel & wide-tooth comb
~ hair friendly hair toys, for putting up hair and forgetting about it

Hair journal (rarely updated nowadays):
http://www.network54.com/Forum/663765
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Fox
Joined: 7:14 AM - Jan 13, 2003

3:51 AM - Aug 09, 2018 #5

lilianaliliana wrote: I think you're right. I know that when I saw a pic of the back of my hair last year I was surprised at its length. And once I was at the store and I overheard two women, one older and one young, and the older woman told the younger how long, long, long her hair had gotten. I turned around to get a gander at the long, long, long hair and it was bsl! Well, needless to say I was perplexed. But, we who love very long hair and read about it and share a real interest in it with others who are like-minded have a different concept of long. 

By the way, I'm super sad tonight because I went to YouTube to look up the Jackie Bun. The Jackie girl is gone and all her videos are down. I just felt so bummed that her videos were greyed out, not available. I even bought some of the songs she played in the background (All My Tears, Be Washed Away). There are other apostolic hair videos but hers were the best. Authentic. I liked her too. So sad! ...I've been fussing with my hair and now I ordered some hair spray and I think I need new bobby pins. This slick hair of mine is makin' me mad tonight. I have to lay on the product to get anything to hold or everything just slides right down and out. Pfft. Disgusted tonight.
It is sad when videos disappear and you can’t see them anymore. Makes you wonder what happened. People can be so mean these days I think some just get tired of dealing with that part. 

I did hear that if you spray the part of your barrette that’s goes against your hair with hairspray, that it makes the hair stay in the barrette better as it is not as slick. I don’t think they mean wet hairspray, but a clip that has been sprayed and dried. Another thing that can give texture is a little hair gel or even conditioner, not rinsed out. So sorry you aren’t frustrated with your hair right now. You have amazing hair!
-Fox
Starting my growing journey all over again after health issues took a major toll on my hair.
17/25.5/35+ - Type 2C-3bMii Somewhat fine, wavy (with corkscrew curls on the underneath layer), natural color is light brown with gold and red highlights. Previously used henna for years, but had it highlighted out over a couple of years. Currently trying to decide what to do as far as continuing with that to keep up the roots or doing something different.

Products Used:
Aubrey Organics S&C - my most favorite, but currently using Neways Second Chance Shampoo, SheaMoisture's High Porosity Moisture-Seal Masque,
Sally Beauty Generic Value Product's version of Matrix Biolage conditioner (as a leave in, not rinsed out)
Aubrey Organics Chia Gel
Vinegar/herbal rinses
Oils: Jojoba, Castor, Coconut & essential oils
MP Popular Mix Brush
MP & Madora wide tooth combs
Vitamins/Minerals/Herbal supplements

"Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Choose your words, for they become actions. Understand your actions, for they become habits. Study your habits, they will become your character. Develop your character for it becomes your destiny."
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Joined: 4:31 AM - May 01, 2006

7:02 AM - Aug 10, 2018 #6

lilianaliliana wrote: I think you're right. I know that when I saw a pic of the back of my hair last year I was surprised at its length. And once I was at the store and I overheard two women, one older and one young, and the older woman told the younger how long, long, long her hair had gotten. I turned around to get a gander at the long, long, long hair and it was bsl! Well, needless to say I was perplexed. But, we who love very long hair and read about it and share a real interest in it with others who are like-minded have a different concept of long. 

I had to giggle at turning around to get a gander at the long, long, long hair. I have a habit of checking out hair in public and if I'd heard that conversation I would have tried to have a look, too, and would have been super disappointed.


Hair Journey Began in June 2006 ...

Hair Type: 2a/M/ii
Hair Colour: Dark brown with natural red and silver highlights (more silver than red nowadays)
Starting length: 25"/62.5cm (BSL)
Initial Goal length: 36" (Tailbone)
Setback: Major shed in 2010 when at 38"
New Goal: Healthy hair that I'm happy with! (Preferably tailbone with thick hemline.)

Current Routine
CWCA: C = condition the length with conditioner or shea butter; W = wash the scalp using diluted organic shampoo; Condition = small amount of conditioner on ends; A = acidic rinse, either ACV or citric acid; Frequency = once a week. In-between times, scalp washes as required.
Tips for super soft hair = Wash with Miracle Water. Finish up with LOC (Liquid = water; Oil = almond/olive/avocado oils; Cream = aloe vera gel)
Other: Regular micro-trims; light oiling on dry hair a few times a week; BBB; wooden comb; Mason Pearson comb; hair sticks, Flexi-8's, Ficcare, and other hair friendly toys.


'Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfailing beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.' 1 Peter 3:3-4
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Joined: 4:31 AM - May 01, 2006

7:03 AM - Aug 10, 2018 #7

Thank you for the replies and your thoughts. It seems that those of us who love long hair are wired differently!


Hair Journey Began in June 2006 ...

Hair Type: 2a/M/ii
Hair Colour: Dark brown with natural red and silver highlights (more silver than red nowadays)
Starting length: 25"/62.5cm (BSL)
Initial Goal length: 36" (Tailbone)
Setback: Major shed in 2010 when at 38"
New Goal: Healthy hair that I'm happy with! (Preferably tailbone with thick hemline.)

Current Routine
CWCA: C = condition the length with conditioner or shea butter; W = wash the scalp using diluted organic shampoo; Condition = small amount of conditioner on ends; A = acidic rinse, either ACV or citric acid; Frequency = once a week. In-between times, scalp washes as required.
Tips for super soft hair = Wash with Miracle Water. Finish up with LOC (Liquid = water; Oil = almond/olive/avocado oils; Cream = aloe vera gel)
Other: Regular micro-trims; light oiling on dry hair a few times a week; BBB; wooden comb; Mason Pearson comb; hair sticks, Flexi-8's, Ficcare, and other hair friendly toys.


'Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfailing beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.' 1 Peter 3:3-4
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3:50 AM - Aug 13, 2018 #8

Yes, wired differently. ...Fox, I will definitely try spraying the clip. I bought new hair spray. And mousse. Waiting for the mousse to come in the mail. And I order, oh no, a styling wand. Heaven forbid. But I want to try it out. I'm trying to see if these products help me. It's just that I'm going against all I stand for when I spray and apply this stuff to my locks! I'm hard wired after all these years at the Loom to oil, oil, oil. I will say, I watched on YouTube vid that said if you have healthy hair, it's harder to style for volume. If I can get up early enough tomorrow I hope to fix my hair in a new 'do. I'm going to the archive here now. I think YouTube has a bunch of crazies. My messy buns are ugly but I watch the girls on YouTube create them and I say oooooh and aaaahhhh at the end of all their videos. They're so pretty.  ohtawen, I agree that the feeling of one's length is a nice feeling. It's a comfort of sorts too, I think, eh. You get used to it. 
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Fox
Joined: 7:14 AM - Jan 13, 2003

3:53 AM - Aug 14, 2018 #9

Yes wrote: Yes, wired differently. ...Fox, I will definitely try spraying the clip. I bought new hair spray. And mousse. Waiting for the mousse to come in the mail. And I order, oh no, a styling wand. Heaven forbid. But I want to try it out. I'm trying to see if these products help me. It's just that I'm going against all I stand for when I spray and apply this stuff to my locks! I'm hard wired after all these years at the Loom to oil, oil, oil. I will say, I watched on YouTube vid that said if you have healthy hair, it's harder to style for volume. If I can get up early enough tomorrow I hope to fix my hair in a new 'do. I'm going to the archive here now. I think YouTube has a bunch of crazies. My messy buns are ugly but I watch the girls on YouTube create them and I say oooooh and aaaahhhh at the end of all their videos. They're so pretty.  ohtawen, I agree that the feeling of one's length is a nice feeling. It's a comfort of sorts too, I think, eh. You get used to it. 
As to oiling, each person's hair is different. I am often able to oil the ends and length each day without any oiliness. But others can’t do it once. Theoretically if you oil your ends or lower length once, it should be ok until after your next wash. Hairspray can be drying, there is no doubt of that, which is why spraying the clip might be a better option. Watch for drying alcohols in your styling products. And just watch your hair. If you start to see changes you don’t like, then you know what you need to eliminate. 
-Fox
Starting my growing journey all over again after health issues took a major toll on my hair.
17/25.5/35+ - Type 2C-3bMii Somewhat fine, wavy (with corkscrew curls on the underneath layer), natural color is light brown with gold and red highlights. Previously used henna for years, but had it highlighted out over a couple of years. Currently trying to decide what to do as far as continuing with that to keep up the roots or doing something different.

Products Used:
Aubrey Organics S&C - my most favorite, but currently using Neways Second Chance Shampoo, SheaMoisture's High Porosity Moisture-Seal Masque,
Sally Beauty Generic Value Product's version of Matrix Biolage conditioner (as a leave in, not rinsed out)
Aubrey Organics Chia Gel
Vinegar/herbal rinses
Oils: Jojoba, Castor, Coconut & essential oils
MP Popular Mix Brush
MP & Madora wide tooth combs
Vitamins/Minerals/Herbal supplements

"Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Choose your words, for they become actions. Understand your actions, for they become habits. Study your habits, they will become your character. Develop your character for it becomes your destiny."
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