Squeezing the peach and Thrusting prongs are two interesting moves

Squeezing the peach and Thrusting prongs are two interesting moves

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January 30th, 2009, 11:46 pm #1

Squeezing the peach and Thrusting prongs are two interesting moves. They both deal with hug attacks while stepping back. I believe the initial movement of both techniques are executed in the exact same way. Thoughts?


-Carl
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Joined: March 5th, 2005, 2:18 pm

January 31st, 2009, 12:16 am #2

If you drop straight back on Squeezing the Peach you'll have a hard time getting to the target.

Take it out on the heavy bag,

Chuck Peterson
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January 31st, 2009, 1:07 am #3

you need to rethink your catalyst in STP.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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January 31st, 2009, 1:53 am #4

Squeezing the peach and Thrusting prongs are two interesting moves. They both deal with hug attacks while stepping back. I believe the initial movement of both techniques are executed in the exact same way. Thoughts?


-Carl
explain how they are exactly the same, because my initial thought is so far to the contrary that I feel I must be misunderstanding what you are trying to convey.

Respectfully,
Dan Puleo
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January 31st, 2009, 2:38 am #5

Squeezing the peach and Thrusting prongs are two interesting moves. They both deal with hug attacks while stepping back. I believe the initial movement of both techniques are executed in the exact same way. Thoughts?


-Carl
Carl,

I think they are very different. Partly because of where the attacker is.

In one I step toward the attacker, in the other, I step away. That difference alone should provide quite a few things to think about.

It's good to recognize similarities, where they exist. For instance, both techniques use a right elbow as a weapon, don't they?

But, don't neglect the differences.


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January 31st, 2009, 2:43 am #6

you need to rethink your catalyst in STP.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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Clyde,
I've always been taught, yada, yada.

OK, I thought it through. STP drops back to 4:30. I can buckle with my left, much like Spreading the Branch, create some space so my hand can reach the target. If I drop straight back to 6:00, I lose the opportunity to buckle and have a difficult time making room for my left to get to the target. Dropping back to 4:30 will work for me. What am I missing? Is dropping straight back better somehow, cause I don't see it. I know you've got something up your sleeve.

Take it out on the heavy bag,

Chuck Peterson
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January 31st, 2009, 2:57 am #7

If you're not getting a catalyst, you're working with a static opponent, may as well just stand there with his arms hugging you doing some prison love LOL.

Think about it, what is prompting you to move your left leg? The space for the strike is created by the catalyst itself.


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Clyde


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January 31st, 2009, 2:59 am #8

Clyde,
I've always been taught, yada, yada.

OK, I thought it through. STP drops back to 4:30. I can buckle with my left, much like Spreading the Branch, create some space so my hand can reach the target. If I drop straight back to 6:00, I lose the opportunity to buckle and have a difficult time making room for my left to get to the target. Dropping back to 4:30 will work for me. What am I missing? Is dropping straight back better somehow, cause I don't see it. I know you've got something up your sleeve.

Take it out on the heavy bag,

Chuck Peterson
peterson_charlie@hotmail.com
Squeezing the Peach is where you break the heel up just enough to get your hand on them from behind to upset their balance. Then this is one of those take a step techniques where you create a line of entry as well as disturb their balance.
This is a family related technique to Retreating Pendulum and other inside principles that are within the technique itself...many options do exist!!!

TCB....Sean Kelley
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January 31st, 2009, 3:08 am #9

Squeezing the peach and Thrusting prongs are two interesting moves. They both deal with hug attacks while stepping back. I believe the initial movement of both techniques are executed in the exact same way. Thoughts?


-Carl
Both are bad ideas as solutions for the issues they address. There are simpler, more pragmatic ways to handle the attacks.
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January 31st, 2009, 3:09 am #10

If you're not getting a catalyst, you're working with a static opponent, may as well just stand there with his arms hugging you doing some prison love LOL.

Think about it, what is prompting you to move your left leg? The space for the strike is created by the catalyst itself.


Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde


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OK, he's not just hugging me for the sake of it. Like Spreading the Branch, the hug is a precursor to a take down. Now, depending on which way he's trying to take me down, my best option may be to step straight back, to 4:30 or to 7:30 and this should easily be the kind of technique you could do right or left sided without a lot of opposite side practice so.... If he's right handed and pushing me toward a take down to my left, he may move into an open line as I step straight back with my left. Is that how you see the line opening? I'm good with that. Is there something else I'm missing?

It's 10PM at the end of a long week. That's my Kenpo best right about now.

Take it out on the heavy bag,

Chuck Peterson
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