So, In A Self defense Situation.....

So, In A Self defense Situation.....

Joined: February 28th, 2004, 1:04 am

February 26th, 2010, 6:49 am #1

Do you defend against the attack or the consequence?

Do you walk around waiting on an attack so you can respond, or do you position yourself in situations that would lead a potential attacker down a planned road to doom ahead of time?

Depending on your answer, does it affect your strategy in dealing with a situation by planning ahead, or do you just deal with one problem at a time?

I remember the pool analogy Mr. Parker used about playing 3 or 4 moves ahead and setting up your next shot.... but what about beyond the encounter???? What about dealing with the consequence of your actions/ reactions, moments, hours, days or even years later?????

Does it make a difference in an attack to only consider what you will defend with.......or do you consider that the person you are doing your thing on is a pissed off Stock Broker, a Gang Member, the Biggest Mass Murderer in the US, or one of millions infected with some type of infectious condition?

I would hope that people have a game plan to deal with such encouters, but sad to say that there are a lot of people who don't. So what type of strategist are you and how will you deal with the consequences?

Rich

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Joined: August 27th, 2004, 8:34 am

February 26th, 2010, 7:06 am #2

With all due respect, you think too much about it. Self defense is simple. Be aware, avoid confrontations, and when "it" hits the fan, do only what is absolutely necessary to remove the threat. No more, no less.

There is no game plan once the fight is on. This is where training should kick in. No mind (mushin as the Japanese would say). Start thinking while in the thick of it, and you will end up with a headache, or worse.

At least this has been my experience. Others may differ.

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February 26th, 2010, 7:53 am #3

attacker is bleeding internally and I walk away calling 911. I tell my side of the story after calming down and the attacker might survive.

Simple like that Zoran?

If it is that simple, then why not think about making it less lethal. Wait, that's TKD. Sorry.

Clark
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Joined: February 28th, 2004, 1:04 am

February 26th, 2010, 10:22 am #4

With all due respect, you think too much about it. Self defense is simple. Be aware, avoid confrontations, and when "it" hits the fan, do only what is absolutely necessary to remove the threat. No more, no less.

There is no game plan once the fight is on. This is where training should kick in. No mind (mushin as the Japanese would say). Start thinking while in the thick of it, and you will end up with a headache, or worse.

At least this has been my experience. Others may differ.

Zoran Sevic
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Actually I don't think about it enough......

While I agree about the "No Mind" during a fight, I often find that most apply the "No Thought" method prior to the engagement.

If you don't give it any thought in advance then how can you train for the specific???? Waiting for someone to teach you what they think you should know might not be a priority for the situations that could and often do arise and could get you hurt.....

The attack that proves the most deadly, is the one no one on the receiving end thought of....I offer 9/11 as an example.

I would also offer that most are waiting to be attacked before responding!!!!

You have a game plan in football as well as most sports or games of strategy,you study game films in advance, have predetermined plays and audibles when the situation changes.....why would you not consider something similar for self defense?

I know I have strategies in place, methods of defense, methods of attack, not to mention methods of escape already in play, but hey, that's just me.

You can practice 5-Swords to perfection....but while you are waiting for the punch to come, so you can teach that punk a lesson, what happens when his Homie is over by your wife, child, or someone of importance to you? How does your methods work when the rules of the engagement changed?

And most important how do you know what your limitations are and what is absolutely necessary?????

Do you really have to ask someone besides yourself?

Rich
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Joined: February 28th, 2004, 1:04 am

February 26th, 2010, 10:33 am #5

attacker is bleeding internally and I walk away calling 911. I tell my side of the story after calming down and the attacker might survive.

Simple like that Zoran?

If it is that simple, then why not think about making it less lethal. Wait, that's TKD. Sorry.

Clark
Stop the threat:

Without being contaminated....

Without retaliation......

Without being prosecuted.....

Without regret......

Without thinking.....

Without being excessive.....

Without jepordizing your loved ones.....

Without experience.......

Without thinking of an alibi.......

Sounds pretty simple?????

Me I need to think the What if's through a liitle more.

Rich
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Joined: August 27th, 2004, 8:34 am

February 26th, 2010, 5:35 pm #6

Stop the threat:

Without being contaminated....

Without retaliation......

Without being prosecuted.....

Without regret......

Without thinking.....

Without being excessive.....

Without jepordizing your loved ones.....

Without experience.......

Without thinking of an alibi.......

Sounds pretty simple?????

Me I need to think the What if's through a liitle more.


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Sure, if you spend so much time thinking about these things, then it will get in the way of what needs to be done. You can spend all the time you want thinking things through during your training. However, do not over think it to the point your training becomes a exercise of confusion. Balance is the key here. But it's up to the individual I guess. Bottom line you either agree with me, or you don't. I doubt I can change anyone's mind.

Zoran Sevic
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Joined: May 7th, 2009, 2:29 am

February 26th, 2010, 5:40 pm #7

Do you defend against the attack or the consequence?

Do you walk around waiting on an attack so you can respond, or do you position yourself in situations that would lead a potential attacker down a planned road to doom ahead of time?

Depending on your answer, does it affect your strategy in dealing with a situation by planning ahead, or do you just deal with one problem at a time?

I remember the pool analogy Mr. Parker used about playing 3 or 4 moves ahead and setting up your next shot.... but what about beyond the encounter???? What about dealing with the consequence of your actions/ reactions, moments, hours, days or even years later?????

Does it make a difference in an attack to only consider what you will defend with.......or do you consider that the person you are doing your thing on is a pissed off Stock Broker, a Gang Member, the Biggest Mass Murderer in the US, or one of millions infected with some type of infectious condition?

I would hope that people have a game plan to deal with such encouters, but sad to say that there are a lot of people who don't. So what type of strategist are you and how will you deal with the consequences?

Rich
"Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Perfomance" ~USMC Wisdom

It would be nice to be able to plan for every possible disturbance in the force but truth be told no ammount of planning is ever going to account for every possible attack or consequence. That is simply not how life works. Even if we make the best plans it does not mean that things will go according to them. Still drilling emergency plans, such as escape from a fire, robbers in the home, getting lost, etc. with our loved ones is still a wise investment in time.

Daily plans such as what routes we take, the times we use for travel, taking the weather into account oh and of course avoiding those things that kill more Kenpoist and other humans like fatty foods full of that bad heart clogging crap... and I am speaking for myself on that one lol

Tactics like have a weapon or two in every room in your home and in every car or truck you drive, have some good rope handy in case you can take them alive. Having a hidden cam available in your home, work and parking lot in case you have to go to court later. Does not have to be yours, can just park in an area that has one. Anyway lots of little things can help. How you dress for example can offer protection or can hinder movements.

How often do you work on a run or a sprint, cause both of those skills really come in handy when the shiznit hits the fan.

All that said, one thing that I feel is important is that if you can avoid a fight by taking the "humble" path, saying sorry even if you do not mean it and falling back should be a goal when you encounter a possible problem with someone... If you get in the habit of using manners and things of that nature, you can keep the mind set of when you have to attack I mean defend yourself you can then go 110% because you have no choice.

The exception being when your job forces you to put your batman outfit on and save the world in that case bring a good sidekick lol
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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

February 26th, 2010, 5:54 pm #8

Stop the threat:

Without being contaminated....

Without retaliation......

Without being prosecuted.....

Without regret......

Without thinking.....

Without being excessive.....

Without jepordizing your loved ones.....

Without experience.......

Without thinking of an alibi.......

Sounds pretty simple?????

Me I need to think the What if's through a liitle more.


-----------------------------------------------

Sure, if you spend so much time thinking about these things, then it will get in the way of what needs to be done. You can spend all the time you want thinking things through during your training. However, do not over think it to the point your training becomes a exercise of confusion. Balance is the key here. But it's up to the individual I guess. Bottom line you either agree with me, or you don't. I doubt I can change anyone's mind.

Zoran Sevic
http://www.facebook.com/zoran.sevic
http://www.myspace.com/zoransevic
http://www.youtube.com/zoransevic
This is taken from an interview some time ago...
Good stuff...
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DW Forum - Do you feel that as time goes by you are a better fighter (meaning in the street not tournament competition) today then you were in your prime? Or is just a matter of adjustments, as you grow older?

Joe Lewis - I have never thought of myself as being a better street fighter in any respect. I know more today about how to avoid that kind of nonsense. I have nothing to prove by getting into a street altercation. As was 30-to 40-years ago, if push comes to shove, my favorite move has always been to spin my opponent into a rear choke. That way, no one gets hurt, and when the cops come, there are no bruises or blood. Street fighters keep their records down at the local police department. I want my fight records to remain where they belong only in the record books.
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Link...

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/joelewis.html

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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

February 26th, 2010, 6:11 pm #9

Actually I don't think about it enough......

While I agree about the "No Mind" during a fight, I often find that most apply the "No Thought" method prior to the engagement.

If you don't give it any thought in advance then how can you train for the specific???? Waiting for someone to teach you what they think you should know might not be a priority for the situations that could and often do arise and could get you hurt.....

The attack that proves the most deadly, is the one no one on the receiving end thought of....I offer 9/11 as an example.

I would also offer that most are waiting to be attacked before responding!!!!

You have a game plan in football as well as most sports or games of strategy,you study game films in advance, have predetermined plays and audibles when the situation changes.....why would you not consider something similar for self defense?

I know I have strategies in place, methods of defense, methods of attack, not to mention methods of escape already in play, but hey, that's just me.

You can practice 5-Swords to perfection....but while you are waiting for the punch to come, so you can teach that punk a lesson, what happens when his Homie is over by your wife, child, or someone of importance to you? How does your methods work when the rules of the engagement changed?

And most important how do you know what your limitations are and what is absolutely necessary?????

Do you really have to ask someone besides yourself?

Rich
This is about awareness even in your own, backyard/building/house/etc...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 2576.story

Being aware, watch the stupid mistakes on tv shows, and make a list mentally on what not to do in a given situation..

I would recommend for most who are not in the real line of danger occupations, get training and flyers all the time to keep up their defense system (mind)...

Reaction is really your best action, been proven time and again...Civil suits are a bitch...

Regards

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Joined: February 28th, 2004, 1:04 am

February 26th, 2010, 6:25 pm #10

Stop the threat:

Without being contaminated....

Without retaliation......

Without being prosecuted.....

Without regret......

Without thinking.....

Without being excessive.....

Without jepordizing your loved ones.....

Without experience.......

Without thinking of an alibi.......

Sounds pretty simple?????

Me I need to think the What if's through a liitle more.


-----------------------------------------------

Sure, if you spend so much time thinking about these things, then it will get in the way of what needs to be done. You can spend all the time you want thinking things through during your training. However, do not over think it to the point your training becomes a exercise of confusion. Balance is the key here. But it's up to the individual I guess. Bottom line you either agree with me, or you don't. I doubt I can change anyone's mind.

Zoran Sevic
http://www.facebook.com/zoran.sevic
http://www.myspace.com/zoransevic
http://www.youtube.com/zoransevic
If you think things through ahead of time you will be able to react better when the time comes.....

Consider how SWAT and Military teams train scenarios over and over to be better preparred!!! That's how my family and I train.....we are a untit when we are together....I don't consider them a hindrance during an encounter, they are an asset!!!!!

Muscle memory will only take you so far, consider how a change would be necessary after being shot, stabbed or incapacitated somehow....rewiring under duress/stress requires a plan of action, not just reaction.

Consider being taken hostage and having to change your mind set to survive....

Too many do Kenpo or Martial Arts once or twice a week for a couple hours, I do Kenpo 24/7, but again that's just me!!!!

I am not trying to change anyone's mind, just expand it a little....

Chance favors the preparred mind.....it does not change it.....

Rich

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