Secrets of Tracy's kenpo.... reality or fantasy!

Secrets of Tracy's kenpo.... reality or fantasy!

Joined: February 1st, 2011, 2:55 am

February 2nd, 2011, 12:38 am #1

The Secrets of Tracy's kenpo are they reality or fantasy, fact or fiction?

Hello i recently posted this question on Sanjosekenp, so i would like to ask the kenponet forum for their opinions.

As a 10year+ student of the tracy system, reaching the rank of Nidan in 2000, right around the time of the 1st GOE. Joe Simmonet quoted to a group of our black belts " Your kenpo starts too late, and ends too soon". after thousands of hours of teaching, countless katas, chinese set, earth & sky, shaolin hand set ect...under my belt his words really started to make me question some things.

Prior to becoming a black belt, it was told that once you reach the level of black belt all the doors will open, lights will turn on, the 9principles of Tracy's kenpo will be reveled and you would start to understand the secrets of Tracy's kenpo. Atleast thats what the head instructor of the school i attended fortold.

Now over those years i've seen good instructors/students leave after reaching BB or above. some were good friends that i keep in touch with, now weather they left because of ego, petty difference or personal agenda. Never the less no one spoke of reaching a level where the secrets of the system were reveled.

After learning more useless katas that had no relevance to Kenpo. Doing MORE & MORE techniques on how to defend against the "ALL MIGHTY RIGHT PUNCH!" i asked the question WHY! none of the other bb had any answers,One Instructor told me because Master Tracy said so, and the head instructor(who never came on the mat to do any type of hands on application or teaching) seem to give me the run-around. all i got from him was "keep practicing"

So i ask, Are the secrets of Tracy's Kenpo reality or fantasy, how long does one stick around to try and find the truth or do you make the choice and seek the answer elsewhere, weather it be another style of kenpo or an entirely different style of martial arts.

Thank You!
Godlikeskill
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February 2nd, 2011, 6:04 am #2

Ssssssshhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone but everything is a secret if you don't know it!!! I can't speak for Tracy's Kenpo, but for any system the longer you study the system or more importantly the principles of that system the more you should come to understand. does that mean learning a hundred more self defense tech's or five more forms, I don't think so. I think you have a very valid question but it is one with an undesirable answer from the perspective that you are asking the question. Secrets are simply things that your teacher or the presenter knows and intentionally does not teach you. They save this as bait to keep you either paying or ??? Until you truly internalize the art or system that you are studying you will not find the "secrets" that it holds. More importantly and more to the point is the fact that you never realize what you have really learned until you look back on your journey and appreciate where you came from. Have you done this? Are you looking at how many techniques and forms you know or are you looking at your level of understanding of combat, methods and types of disarm or neutralization, opportunities that are presented by the opponent in certain anatomical positions? and so on and so forth. Have you gotten better, and if so what are you better at? What do you really care about?

It boils down to this, as I said before there are no secrets there are only unknowns. make the choice between a life long journey and the quest for the holy grail. Either way it's a quest or journey the trick is to enjoy the journey and appreciate the way.

Good Journey,

Todd Durgan
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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

February 2nd, 2011, 10:17 pm #3

Much of the secret, because of business and best way to keep a well run established or upcoming one... How to guide along a pupil via individual, one on one, more so than large group only... If they have the ability that is...

Secrets, is there are none, now to be honest, way you present and amount of high level training is important, physical skill, etc...

I don't think they are geared for the elementary world as has occured in many of the MA organizations... Training and babysitting the very young...

It is elementary as far a MA goes until later belts, many mention...I think they may have coined the idea, that it all really begins when you reach BB...

Similar thinking with other organizations that have secrets, as in Masonic code...

They are much more oriented to the whole of Kenpo, rather than just, AK...

Gary



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February 5th, 2011, 5:17 pm #4

The Secrets of Tracy's kenpo are they reality or fantasy, fact or fiction?

Hello i recently posted this question on Sanjosekenp, so i would like to ask the kenponet forum for their opinions.

As a 10year+ student of the tracy system, reaching the rank of Nidan in 2000, right around the time of the 1st GOE. Joe Simmonet quoted to a group of our black belts " Your kenpo starts too late, and ends too soon". after thousands of hours of teaching, countless katas, chinese set, earth & sky, shaolin hand set ect...under my belt his words really started to make me question some things.

Prior to becoming a black belt, it was told that once you reach the level of black belt all the doors will open, lights will turn on, the 9principles of Tracy's kenpo will be reveled and you would start to understand the secrets of Tracy's kenpo. Atleast thats what the head instructor of the school i attended fortold.

Now over those years i've seen good instructors/students leave after reaching BB or above. some were good friends that i keep in touch with, now weather they left because of ego, petty difference or personal agenda. Never the less no one spoke of reaching a level where the secrets of the system were reveled.

After learning more useless katas that had no relevance to Kenpo. Doing MORE & MORE techniques on how to defend against the "ALL MIGHTY RIGHT PUNCH!" i asked the question WHY! none of the other bb had any answers,One Instructor told me because Master Tracy said so, and the head instructor(who never came on the mat to do any type of hands on application or teaching) seem to give me the run-around. all i got from him was "keep practicing"

So i ask, Are the secrets of Tracy's Kenpo reality or fantasy, how long does one stick around to try and find the truth or do you make the choice and seek the answer elsewhere, weather it be another style of kenpo or an entirely different style of martial arts.

Thank You!
Godlikeskill
there are no secrets man. at least not some esoteric epiphany.. just deeper insights... nothing mystical about having a BB.. the belt (should) signify you have physically and mentally internalized the basics of the system, and are now ready to "do" the art rather than practice. understanding and knowledge can come at any level


you've already attained your black belt. branch out, learn a new martial art.. maybe some martial revelations will come to you if you feel you've hit a brick wall. cos the closest thing to "secrets" you'll find will come directly from the highest people in whatever system you (general you) study.

best of luck finding what you seek.
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February 7th, 2011, 2:16 am #5

The Secrets of Tracy's kenpo are they reality or fantasy, fact or fiction?

Hello i recently posted this question on Sanjosekenp, so i would like to ask the kenponet forum for their opinions.

As a 10year+ student of the tracy system, reaching the rank of Nidan in 2000, right around the time of the 1st GOE. Joe Simmonet quoted to a group of our black belts " Your kenpo starts too late, and ends too soon". after thousands of hours of teaching, countless katas, chinese set, earth & sky, shaolin hand set ect...under my belt his words really started to make me question some things.

Prior to becoming a black belt, it was told that once you reach the level of black belt all the doors will open, lights will turn on, the 9principles of Tracy's kenpo will be reveled and you would start to understand the secrets of Tracy's kenpo. Atleast thats what the head instructor of the school i attended fortold.

Now over those years i've seen good instructors/students leave after reaching BB or above. some were good friends that i keep in touch with, now weather they left because of ego, petty difference or personal agenda. Never the less no one spoke of reaching a level where the secrets of the system were reveled.

After learning more useless katas that had no relevance to Kenpo. Doing MORE & MORE techniques on how to defend against the "ALL MIGHTY RIGHT PUNCH!" i asked the question WHY! none of the other bb had any answers,One Instructor told me because Master Tracy said so, and the head instructor(who never came on the mat to do any type of hands on application or teaching) seem to give me the run-around. all i got from him was "keep practicing"

So i ask, Are the secrets of Tracy's Kenpo reality or fantasy, how long does one stick around to try and find the truth or do you make the choice and seek the answer elsewhere, weather it be another style of kenpo or an entirely different style of martial arts.

Thank You!
Godlikeskill
"Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick.
After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick.
Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick."

-- Bruce Lee
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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

February 7th, 2011, 4:31 pm #6

He was an actor first and foremost imho...

Had some good moments, but as a rule, just a sad soul to be honest...

Regards,
Gary
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February 7th, 2011, 8:12 pm #7

LOL! how is he a sad soul.. yea he was an actor, is that saying he wasnt a skillfull martial artist, **** GM Parker and GM Tatum are actors.. what does that make them?
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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

February 7th, 2011, 9:26 pm #8

Well as a rule most of the time what you see on the screen is the best of many many takes or edited... Sad has a lot to do with his drugs and life style... Much of what many believe is fighting or ability to self defense is an illusion to be honest...

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Since you post at SJK you can read the many posts that are about this subject, the book, Unsettled Matters, by Tom Bleecker...

PDF file on it...
http://www.thejkdbrotherhood.com/JKDBro ... atters.pdf

Regards,
Gary

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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

February 7th, 2011, 9:57 pm #9

LOL! how is he a sad soul.. yea he was an actor, is that saying he wasnt a skillfull martial artist, **** GM Parker and GM Tatum are actors.. what does that make them?
Here is the answer from one who no longer posts at this location...
*****
As you know, I no longer post on the KN. That said, the answer to this new guy Godskill or something like that, is that Bruce Lee was a sad soul because he ended up dead at 32 years of age from drug abuse and obsessive mindsets, leaving his two children without a father and his wife a widow. It doesn't get much sadder than that.
*****

Regards,
Gary
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February 8th, 2011, 5:14 am #10

Well that all may be true, but i still dont see what that has to do with him being a skillful martial artist.

And far as what you see on TV is the best takes of everything, of course it is i would want my acting to be flawless aswell, but martial artist like steven segal has proven his stuff works on-screen and off-screen.
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