Killing yourself with the martial artss

Killing yourself with the martial artss

Joined: February 25th, 2009, 8:54 am

August 15th, 2012, 5:48 am #1

As i have said many times before, the internal aspects of the martial arts are very neglected. In fact in modern society man has moved away from the practices of the ancients. Fear is a big factor in moving a being away from true knowledge about the universe as it applies to them. Martial artists tend to be more receptive as a group to esoteric knowledge relative to the energy body for a variety of reasons. Today i thought i would relate a concept that you may find helpful. Consider the following points.

1. Simply because one has mastered martial arts to a high level and can manipulate energies does not mean in the grand scale they know what they are doing. One may be able to drive a car fast and well but there sometimes great expense to the car and danger to the driver.

2. Many times martial artists fancy themselves as masters of energy because they can manipulate it but they fail to understand that other groups spend lifetime dedication to the deeper aspects of what is really going on.

3. Martial artists who are extremely accomplished at certain levels actually have energetic distribution imbalances and those imbalances are actually reinforced by the physical manner which they manipulate energy and configure their energy body.

4. Correct meditation techniques and other practices can balance out the distribution of energy through the Chakras, body and outerbody to produce a more controlled and unified energy field that no longer is damaging the practitioner and now actually nurtures their entire body on all levels.

So you see most people even at high levels in the martial arts have serious energy distribution problems and these energy sinks gradually kill the person. It should be appreciated that there are many people in the arts and especially the obvious masters that have very powerful energy matrices. But they don't have the development to contain them on other levels. They have a Ferrari engine in a Ford Escort in a manner of speaking. So they can do some wonderful things but they are tearing down the entire system. Their evolution on one level has exceeded their capacity to contain it. Illness is the inevitable result. Illness on many levels. The system will prematurely burn out.

And of course there are a number of factors to correct. Correct meditation techniques to balance energy through the Chakra, central channel, primary vessels, body and outer body so that there is correctly distributed resonance. Diet in terms of correct energy foods to balance polarity. Correct sexual practices are core to all of this of course since it all stems from that energy. Burning energy through non controlled sexual play over time is a major destroyer of the body as well as the mind. Other things as well.

But i would have to say that a very good place to start is correct meditation. The kundalini must be controlled. Yoga is yoke.

Namaste

Bob Hanes

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August 15th, 2012, 2:58 pm #2

I am not familiar with what you are discussing...
So I went to this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

Others might find it interesting, or not!

Regards,
Gary
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August 15th, 2012, 8:09 pm #3

As i have said many times before, the internal aspects of the martial arts are very neglected. In fact in modern society man has moved away from the practices of the ancients. Fear is a big factor in moving a being away from true knowledge about the universe as it applies to them. Martial artists tend to be more receptive as a group to esoteric knowledge relative to the energy body for a variety of reasons. Today i thought i would relate a concept that you may find helpful. Consider the following points.

1. Simply because one has mastered martial arts to a high level and can manipulate energies does not mean in the grand scale they know what they are doing. One may be able to drive a car fast and well but there sometimes great expense to the car and danger to the driver.

2. Many times martial artists fancy themselves as masters of energy because they can manipulate it but they fail to understand that other groups spend lifetime dedication to the deeper aspects of what is really going on.

3. Martial artists who are extremely accomplished at certain levels actually have energetic distribution imbalances and those imbalances are actually reinforced by the physical manner which they manipulate energy and configure their energy body.

4. Correct meditation techniques and other practices can balance out the distribution of energy through the Chakras, body and outerbody to produce a more controlled and unified energy field that no longer is damaging the practitioner and now actually nurtures their entire body on all levels.

So you see most people even at high levels in the martial arts have serious energy distribution problems and these energy sinks gradually kill the person. It should be appreciated that there are many people in the arts and especially the obvious masters that have very powerful energy matrices. But they don't have the development to contain them on other levels. They have a Ferrari engine in a Ford Escort in a manner of speaking. So they can do some wonderful things but they are tearing down the entire system. Their evolution on one level has exceeded their capacity to contain it. Illness is the inevitable result. Illness on many levels. The system will prematurely burn out.

And of course there are a number of factors to correct. Correct meditation techniques to balance energy through the Chakra, central channel, primary vessels, body and outer body so that there is correctly distributed resonance. Diet in terms of correct energy foods to balance polarity. Correct sexual practices are core to all of this of course since it all stems from that energy. Burning energy through non controlled sexual play over time is a major destroyer of the body as well as the mind. Other things as well.

But i would have to say that a very good place to start is correct meditation. The kundalini must be controlled. Yoga is yoke.

Namaste

Bob Hanes
Many of the high ranking martial artists I've met have been very open and often practice aspects of metaphysics. Rekki, crystals, meditation, yoga, etc.

I understand that the vast majority inhabit the "tiger phase", to be expected. Yet, a great number of long in the tooth masters remain in study.

I say this not to disagree with your point, rather to offer the idea that these practices are being pursued vigorously.
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August 16th, 2012, 2:29 am #4



The way I see it being seriously involves in these things is that over the years I have learned that there is a difference from serious deep study and what most people think they are doing. And things like Reiki, crystals and most yoga have little to do with all this. I am in the energy work field. But anyway..

Let me put it this way. If knowledge is so deep in these teachers of martial arts, specifically kenpo and they see the importance then I would bring forth the point that they don't teach it to their students. It simply does not occupy most kenpo curriculums in most schools. If they had the knowledge and understood it then it would be at the forefront of teaching. Obviously it is not..

Also I mean no disrespect to Ed Parker but he had a certain spiritual bias and was never a serious student of Eastern Esoteric work. In fact he shunned it.

What I have learned is that without being taught by a master of occult energy work and in a serious manner one knows virtually nothing about it dispite the fact they dabble in it. It is a serious commitment. A full time one. I think that the New Age movement has made it seem to people that this work is easily aquired. But the hard fact is it is not.

I mean even at the root of it is sex. And most people simply are not going to learn the sexual techniques of not losing semen often and not haveing genital orgasm in the male or female. Also in most people if they accidently stumble on raising the Kundalini they will have a mental breakdown and become really a basket case. I have seen people who were not ready and literally still are basically insane. It is very serious business.

And then the "yogic" techniques and other things take masterful guidance and serious practice daily. So I simply don't see this happening. The bottom line is that from my perspective most people who are even at a high rank in kenpo have no idea what they are messing with when they generate energy the way they do with techniques. The energy body becomes totally compressed and warped. Completely imbalanced. The sad thing is they think they are helping themselves but they are gradually destroying their energy body.

Kenpo can kill you if you don't take care of other things. Sure it's fun to whip energy and generate power but you cannot do that at any level without attending to very specific things. Kenpo is a very new art and has borrowed from much more older ones. Most kenpo people are playing with fire unless they make a commitment to deep esoteric energy work. I have seen too many alleged kenpo greats who appear awsome drop dead early. There is a reason and it lies at the core of the energy body.

Thanks for the comment

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August 16th, 2012, 6:32 am #5

The depths of a person's practice does not stop at my recognition of my knowledge of same.

Maybe, they're only showing the cards they wish to be seen. For what reason, I can't say.

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August 16th, 2012, 11:20 am #6

your desire to assume people have knowledge and are witholding it. As an energy bodyworker who practices this stuff I can only tell you what I see. My experience working on people is that kenpo people are pretty energetically messed up and for example a Tai Chi person is not. But perhaps the best course of action is for a person to spend a few years with masters of eastern esoteric knowledge and confirm or disconfirm my analysis. Of course one can also analyze how many kenpo people that have a high command drop dead young from all kinds of disorders. People in the martial arts like to fancy themselves as knowledgable relative to deep esoteric knowledge but most of these people would be reduced to great humbleness and shame if they submitted to the tutelage of a real master.

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August 16th, 2012, 2:24 pm #7


The way I see it being seriously involves in these things is that over the years I have learned that there is a difference from serious deep study and what most people think they are doing. And things like Reiki, crystals and most yoga have little to do with all this. I am in the energy work field. But anyway..

Let me put it this way. If knowledge is so deep in these teachers of martial arts, specifically kenpo and they see the importance then I would bring forth the point that they don't teach it to their students. It simply does not occupy most kenpo curriculums in most schools. If they had the knowledge and understood it then it would be at the forefront of teaching. Obviously it is not..

Also I mean no disrespect to Ed Parker but he had a certain spiritual bias and was never a serious student of Eastern Esoteric work. In fact he shunned it.

What I have learned is that without being taught by a master of occult energy work and in a serious manner one knows virtually nothing about it dispite the fact they dabble in it. It is a serious commitment. A full time one. I think that the New Age movement has made it seem to people that this work is easily aquired. But the hard fact is it is not.

I mean even at the root of it is sex. And most people simply are not going to learn the sexual techniques of not losing semen often and not haveing genital orgasm in the male or female. Also in most people if they accidently stumble on raising the Kundalini they will have a mental breakdown and become really a basket case. I have seen people who were not ready and literally still are basically insane. It is very serious business.

And then the "yogic" techniques and other things take masterful guidance and serious practice daily. So I simply don't see this happening. The bottom line is that from my perspective most people who are even at a high rank in kenpo have no idea what they are messing with when they generate energy the way they do with techniques. The energy body becomes totally compressed and warped. Completely imbalanced. The sad thing is they think they are helping themselves but they are gradually destroying their energy body.

Kenpo can kill you if you don't take care of other things. Sure it's fun to whip energy and generate power but you cannot do that at any level without attending to very specific things. Kenpo is a very new art and has borrowed from much more older ones. Most kenpo people are playing with fire unless they make a commitment to deep esoteric energy work. I have seen too many alleged kenpo greats who appear awsome drop dead early. There is a reason and it lies at the core of the energy body.

Thanks for the comment

Namaste
Bob,
The art of Kali is much deeper than just sticks, for those who are into it.

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/kali.htm

Some consider it part of the Arnis, Eskrima world, as Dan Inosanto teachs.

I can recall on another forum, one started talking, Kali, as he feels it is, from Kali. After being attacked by a few, from England he left the forum.

I have looked into it some, but we are a christian society and to mention much about the thinking from India is to provoke a lot of scorn.

I have mentioned being Agnostic, so I study pretty much what I want, and have no problem with it. Many (as you have mentioned) in christian thinking are very narrow minded about religions. Most countries that one has wars with, is/are over religion, I have noticed.

National Geographic has a great book about Myths from the ancients, (I have it), funny I was reading it of late, along with the tribes of Israel. Mentions them also along with Abraham and others.

Ones God is anothers Myth, it seems.

Take the Punjabs, very war like in their thinking, allowed to immigrate into a christian world, and still keep their values with them, very fortunate to have a location like America, for the world.

It has caused much difficulty though!!! It is interesting reading the link I put up in earlier post, especially when you read as much as I have about the arts.

The one you have chosen of late, is in an evolution of sorts, truly shows how strong the mind is, and not always rational.

A link,
http://hinduism.about.com/od/hindugodde ... makali.htm

So... In the art of sticks and swords and knives in PI north and south, one is very catholic the other is muslim, and also into the art of Kali.

The book, Pencak Silat, author Pendekar Herman Sudwanda, (of West Java) is an interesting read, The part, chapter 13, the 25 styles of Mande Muda, a lot of pictures..
Observing them, is to see "similarity" and that is why you can tell with the eye only, that the art of Kenpo has made its way, into many places.

Regards,
Gary


Edit...added links.




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August 20th, 2012, 9:54 pm #8

As i have said many times before, the internal aspects of the martial arts are very neglected. In fact in modern society man has moved away from the practices of the ancients. Fear is a big factor in moving a being away from true knowledge about the universe as it applies to them. Martial artists tend to be more receptive as a group to esoteric knowledge relative to the energy body for a variety of reasons. Today i thought i would relate a concept that you may find helpful. Consider the following points.

1. Simply because one has mastered martial arts to a high level and can manipulate energies does not mean in the grand scale they know what they are doing. One may be able to drive a car fast and well but there sometimes great expense to the car and danger to the driver.

2. Many times martial artists fancy themselves as masters of energy because they can manipulate it but they fail to understand that other groups spend lifetime dedication to the deeper aspects of what is really going on.

3. Martial artists who are extremely accomplished at certain levels actually have energetic distribution imbalances and those imbalances are actually reinforced by the physical manner which they manipulate energy and configure their energy body.

4. Correct meditation techniques and other practices can balance out the distribution of energy through the Chakras, body and outerbody to produce a more controlled and unified energy field that no longer is damaging the practitioner and now actually nurtures their entire body on all levels.

So you see most people even at high levels in the martial arts have serious energy distribution problems and these energy sinks gradually kill the person. It should be appreciated that there are many people in the arts and especially the obvious masters that have very powerful energy matrices. But they don't have the development to contain them on other levels. They have a Ferrari engine in a Ford Escort in a manner of speaking. So they can do some wonderful things but they are tearing down the entire system. Their evolution on one level has exceeded their capacity to contain it. Illness is the inevitable result. Illness on many levels. The system will prematurely burn out.

And of course there are a number of factors to correct. Correct meditation techniques to balance energy through the Chakra, central channel, primary vessels, body and outer body so that there is correctly distributed resonance. Diet in terms of correct energy foods to balance polarity. Correct sexual practices are core to all of this of course since it all stems from that energy. Burning energy through non controlled sexual play over time is a major destroyer of the body as well as the mind. Other things as well.

But i would have to say that a very good place to start is correct meditation. The kundalini must be controlled. Yoga is yoke.

Namaste

Bob Hanes
sexual play - lol
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August 21st, 2012, 11:36 am #9

The strongest drive is the sex drive. It is the root drive of creative force and energy. This energy is the key to everything. Now I know what I am saying is not popular but the truth be known is that loss of semen is a very bad thing if it is to excess. As a male ages the impact is much worse and they can loss less or they will be damaged. In either case guys should on rarely lose semen. In either case it should not happen often.
This does not mean a guy cannot have sex frequently. It just means that he cannot ejaculate most of the time. And actually there are different types of orgasm and even genital orgasm can be attained without losing semen.

Now women should not be reaching genital climax very often either. But in women there are a number of types of orgasm that will not produce energetic loss and mental dysfunction. And actually a woman will be more satisfied in a relationship of controlled sex because her man will not weaken and will have far more staying power.

And here is the thing. If there is any question about the validity of what I am saying, well try having sex for a month without having genital orgasm and losing semen. Stop sex before it happens or control it. You will see that your energy reserves will markedly increase. You will be more grounded and solid. When you get aroused let it sink back in you and re channel it. Like if you are all sexually horny don't just go have sex. Use that energy in your karate. They are the same energy. You can build your energy by getting sexually aroused and then venting it to kenpo. You can build your energy body by willing your horny energy into other energy channels.

Sexual energy is the key to unlocking solidity, flow, power And many other things.

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August 21st, 2012, 2:12 pm #10

This follows what you mention.

http://www.amazon.com/Taoist-Secrets-Lo ... 0943358191

Interesting about what you mention. India and China have cultures that follow what you have posted.

Delusion or Illusion???
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Regards,
Gary
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