escape from high mount.

escape from high mount.

Joined: April 26th, 2007, 12:30 am

November 19th, 2007, 8:10 am #1

is their another escape from high mount than wrapping legs around body?
is there any answers in our kenpo techs?

thanks,
tj
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Joined: October 11th, 2004, 2:43 am

November 19th, 2007, 9:53 am #2

bump and roll bro....bump and roll.
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Joined: November 30th, 2005, 3:33 pm

November 19th, 2007, 12:09 pm #3

is their another escape from high mount than wrapping legs around body?
is there any answers in our kenpo techs?

thanks,
tj
To be in a better position, your main concern is to get out of the high mount before your knocked out.. so keep him close and try to push with your elbows on his knees to get him more near your hips. from there you're in a better position to bump and roll or you could use this kind of escapes to get him in your guard. http://lockflow.com/article_view.php?id=1415 . of cource you can go for his groin aswell. but i would suggest to fight for a better position first. You don't have a lot of time in a high mount ones someone starts to ground and pound.
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Joined: November 24th, 2004, 9:07 pm

November 19th, 2007, 3:12 pm #4

is their another escape from high mount than wrapping legs around body?
is there any answers in our kenpo techs?

thanks,
tj
It took three readings to realize that "Escape from High Mount" isn't a recently released movie. Sigh.
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Joined: June 1st, 2005, 5:34 am

November 19th, 2007, 5:28 pm #5

bump and roll bro....bump and roll.
Is so the person can't bump and roll you.
in a normal mount you are much more open to the "Upa" or bridge and roll.
in the high mount, they get high up on your torso and into your armpits so the bridge does little to effect your position, unless the guy on the bottom is much bigger, the bridge and roll will be very difficult to work if at all.
Instead of giving one answer to the high mount, think of it in concept form and that will allow you to use many different things when and if the moment arrives.

1st. Posture is king in Grappling, a much smaller person can maintain a position on a much larger person by maintaining proper posture. In Kenpo terms, think HWD Zones, combined with Center of Gravity. If you can break the posture of the person on top of you(HWD Zones) and move his center of gravity in a certain direction, then you can move either out from under him, or at least into a better position under him to move.

2nd. Never accept a position you don't like. Too many people I see get mounted and they stop to think about what to do, this is the worst possible thing, all you are doing is allowing the person on top to solidify their position, keep moving, bridging, elbowing, etc. sometimes it takes doing the same thing multiple times, but as long as they are fighting to maintain their position they are not able to punch you.

3rd. Be careful trying to push the person off of you, the last thing you want to do it let your opponent straighten your arms out or gain control of you arms outside your body, leads to nasty armbars/breaks/etc depending on the situation. All the person can do in the high mount to hurt you is punch or elbow you in the head, and usually only punch as he is too close to effectively use elbows.

4th. If its a street type situation then pull out all the stops to get him off balance.... like eye gouges/pokes/slices, or grab and squeeze/twist the groin, fishhook the mouth(dangerous though) and move his head. Remember it isnt the UFC there are no rules, most grapplers will be taken offguard by these tactics, as I have yet to see a BJJ/Grappling school that teaches defenses for, or techniques against them. Most people training BJJ or grappling will not understand why you are breaking the rules, and that few seconds of hesitation is all you will need.
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Joined: February 1st, 2005, 10:53 pm

November 19th, 2007, 6:44 pm #6

good stuff...

but I am not understanding the statement "to close for elbows". especially if your the guy on top. an inch is all you need with that one. always room for a good elbow somewhere.
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Joined: June 1st, 2005, 5:34 am

November 19th, 2007, 6:51 pm #7

I do not discount the possibility that I am wrong.
Let me state right out here now that I am no expert in BJJ, I am only a 2nd stripe Blue Belt, and I consider myself a Kenpo guy first and foremost. I look at BJJ from a Kenpo perspective, always have and always will.
I am basing all my comments on a Kenpo standpoint,from my experiences and understanding of Kenpo based on experience rolling with BJJ, and other Grapplers.

But if you are in a true high guard, with your knees tucked up under the armpits, and your bodyweight resting up high on the chest, you actually make the elbow strike less efficient as your body gets in the way, I find it kind of hard to explain by writing, but try it, I think you will agree the more effective elbow strikes will come from a lower mount, where you body can lower forward on the target, rather then lower into itself to close the distance. Does that make sense?
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Joined: February 1st, 2005, 2:47 pm

November 20th, 2007, 7:49 am #8

But then, we Irish eat our young too.
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November 20th, 2007, 7:49 am #9

I do not discount the possibility that I am wrong.
Let me state right out here now that I am no expert in BJJ, I am only a 2nd stripe Blue Belt, and I consider myself a Kenpo guy first and foremost. I look at BJJ from a Kenpo perspective, always have and always will.
I am basing all my comments on a Kenpo standpoint,from my experiences and understanding of Kenpo based on experience rolling with BJJ, and other Grapplers.

But if you are in a true high guard, with your knees tucked up under the armpits, and your bodyweight resting up high on the chest, you actually make the elbow strike less efficient as your body gets in the way, I find it kind of hard to explain by writing, but try it, I think you will agree the more effective elbow strikes will come from a lower mount, where you body can lower forward on the target, rather then lower into itself to close the distance. Does that make sense?
But then, we Irish eat our young too.
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Joined: February 1st, 2005, 2:47 pm

November 20th, 2007, 7:50 am #10

I do not discount the possibility that I am wrong.
Let me state right out here now that I am no expert in BJJ, I am only a 2nd stripe Blue Belt, and I consider myself a Kenpo guy first and foremost. I look at BJJ from a Kenpo perspective, always have and always will.
I am basing all my comments on a Kenpo standpoint,from my experiences and understanding of Kenpo based on experience rolling with BJJ, and other Grapplers.

But if you are in a true high guard, with your knees tucked up under the armpits, and your bodyweight resting up high on the chest, you actually make the elbow strike less efficient as your body gets in the way, I find it kind of hard to explain by writing, but try it, I think you will agree the more effective elbow strikes will come from a lower mount, where you body can lower forward on the target, rather then lower into itself to close the distance. Does that make sense?
But then, we Irish eat our young too.
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