Dave Hebler and Elvis Kenpo Demo....Kinda cool

Dave Hebler and Elvis Kenpo Demo....Kinda cool

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April 22nd, 2008, 8:32 pm #1

Elvis and Dave Hebler during a Kenpo demo....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBHkCbDegs
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April 23rd, 2008, 2:42 am #2

No disrespect....well maybe a little....but 7th degree my big butt! Looks like a bad Kung Fu theater performance....sorry king..hunka hunka
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April 23rd, 2008, 3:50 am #3

Elvis and Dave Hebler during a Kenpo demo....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBHkCbDegs
one of the worst youtube kenpo videos I've ever seen. Half the vid is just some guy showing off his Gaudy Gi collection. Then the kenpo starts and it's even worse. Surely Elvis was better than that; surely there is video of him doing better than that. Drunken Stumble Gun Disarm; punch Elvis in the gut really light but make it look like you're struggling; downward elbow onto the hard, bony part of the head; take some guy down using as many awkward little stabilizing steps as possible. Every scene made me cringe. I started missing the Gaudy Gi review.

I know this is bluntly insulting to all the kenpo folks who idolize Elvis, who knew him, or who know those who knew him. I don't want to just be insulting, but this video begged a response. All I can say is, sorry. I guess I'm too young to get the Elvis thing. Someone please find some better video of this guy doing kenpo, please!

Peace,
Scott
(who, when he does gun disarms, looks awkward and ungainly, but not flatly drunk!)
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April 23rd, 2008, 12:48 pm #4

Elvis and Dave Hebler during a Kenpo demo....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBHkCbDegs
If this video would have appeared on youtube starring anyone other then Elvis we would have gotten the usual lines of...

"Where are the stances?"

"The upper and lower quadrants are not synchronized"

"No power principles"

"No way he is a 7th!"

"I would have given him a purple belt."

"Who is his instructor?"

"What is with the huge red silk belt?"

Etc...etc....

I think it is a shame that he was given an 8th over other guys who had actually put in the mat time. The sad thing is some of the Elvis worship types are the same ones who talk about the hours and days they spent in the dojo and how hard it was back then. I am sure he spent some time training with Ed Parker, but I seriously doubt he spent the time many would consider adequate for an 8th...much less a 7th. What is amazing to me that celebrity worship was obviously bad back then just as it in today. Maybe some school in California can find and give Britney Spears an 8th. She's a drug abusing over drinking celebrity. I am sure that ruffled feathers...I feel I have a right to say it however.
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April 23rd, 2008, 6:57 pm #5

Elvis and Dave Hebler during a Kenpo demo....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBHkCbDegs
I'm just thankful I didn't have to be the "bad guy" this time.

Thanks all of you for saying exactly what I was thinking when I saw it.

He would have ended up shooting himself in the face had he been humped over a guy like that with a gun before making sure he had a stable base and before securing the weapon.

It is a testament of how good it really is to be The King.

Back to the mats,

Angela
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April 23rd, 2008, 7:27 pm #6

If this video would have appeared on youtube starring anyone other then Elvis we would have gotten the usual lines of...

"Where are the stances?"

"The upper and lower quadrants are not synchronized"

"No power principles"

"No way he is a 7th!"

"I would have given him a purple belt."

"Who is his instructor?"

"What is with the huge red silk belt?"

Etc...etc....

I think it is a shame that he was given an 8th over other guys who had actually put in the mat time. The sad thing is some of the Elvis worship types are the same ones who talk about the hours and days they spent in the dojo and how hard it was back then. I am sure he spent some time training with Ed Parker, but I seriously doubt he spent the time many would consider adequate for an 8th...much less a 7th. What is amazing to me that celebrity worship was obviously bad back then just as it in today. Maybe some school in California can find and give Britney Spears an 8th. She's a drug abusing over drinking celebrity. I am sure that ruffled feathers...I feel I have a right to say it however.
For the record Elvis was promoted to his rank by Ed Parker in 1974 and died in 1977. Most of the people on this Forum may not have been in Kenpo or of age to know of Elvis.
Yes, he was a man bit by his own Demons of Darkness but bottom line is he contributed to the art far greater at that time for many projects for Ed Parker including the Team that competed against the Europeans as well as paid for their custom uniforms and full travel expenses.
The Video was put up to show Dave Hebler and the Elvis Bodyguards which included Red West and David Stanley (Brown Belt then) all wore their IKKA patches proudly on their uniforms for all to see.
Point to realize also was Elvis was already a Black Belt since the early 1960's having trained under Hank Slamansky same teacher as Dan Inosanto once had.
I have to say the Kenpo people of today are better trained because we have the likes of so many First Generation Black belts out there sharing their worth such as Mike Pick, Dave Hebler, Larry Tatum and many others to enjoy. But keep in mind the Seniors of that era were a hell of lot more tougher both mentaly as well as physically who did nothing but fight as a time of leisure.
We can all criticize each other for the lack of bending our kness, bending the thumb for showing a proper handsword ect,but here in this case I would rather be kind and remember a time in history where people like Elvis,Dave Hebler,Red West and David Stanley were proud enough to wear their Kenpo emblems and give a show to the public and allow us to see it 30 years later as a piece of Kenpo History and to be held in the archives.
I too have seen many old films,videos and other footage of many who have been caught on film but to later be dogged for their style of Martial Arts, hell look at Bruce Lee's first films or even some of the current stuff out there today....it's all open for critics to point fingers at.
Elvis may not have been your friend, your current Kenpo teacher or your favorite singer/actor, but name one other man who can mention his first name today...and not only does everyone know his name but he is known all over the world far greater than when he was alive. In the Year 2000 he was voted "Man of the Century" and no matter what we all want to think about his Kenpo....he was promoted by Ed Parker who was his teacher and he felt Elvis deserved it!
Ed Parker's Roots are spread out all over this Forum and many offsprings of that..are spreading the art to a new level but for just a moment take a breath and look at what people like Elvis did for us and the art in which we have to be grateful for. For me I was able to meet and now be close friends with Dave Hebler,David Stanley,Sonny West and Lamar Fike.
In my possession I have an original "TCB" necklace which was given to Dave Hebler by Elvis and now it was given to me by Dave Hebler.This gives me the feeling of being apart of what Elvis stood for in his art....that was "Spirit,Faith,and discipline"
as noted on his TCB Kenpo Patch.
Thank you for at least understanding how this is a piece of history regardless of the content shown.....
Sean Kelley


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April 23rd, 2008, 8:28 pm #7

"For the record Elvis was promoted to his rank by Ed Parker in 1974 and died in 1977. Most of the people on this Forum may not have been in Kenpo or of age to know of Elvis."

I understand that, I went back and read the post in this thread and I am not seeing where that "record" was disputed? What I do not understand how this applies to his quality of movement?

"Yes, he was a man bit by his own Demons of Darkness but bottom line is he contributed to the art far greater at that time for many projects for Ed Parker including the Team that competed against the Europeans as well as paid for their custom uniforms and full travel expenses."

So it was about contributing money then? Cool.

"The Video was put up to show Dave Hebler and the Elvis Bodyguards which included Red West and David Stanley (Brown Belt then) all wore their IKKA patches proudly on their uniforms for all to see."

Okay, I am still at a loss at to how this pertained to his quality of motion.

"Point to realize also was Elvis was already a Black Belt since the early 1960's having trained under Hank Slamansky same teacher as Dan Inosanto once had.
I have to say the Kenpo people of today are better trained because we have the likes of so many First Generation Black belts out there sharing their worth such as Mike Pick, Dave Hebler, Larry Tatum and many others to enjoy."

There is a ton of a lot more material and research. I do not know if this really equals better trained fighters.

"But keep in mind the Seniors of that era were a hell of lot more tougher both mentaly as well as physically who did nothing but fight as a time of leisure."

Cool...so some of us war vets, cops, soldiers, mat rats, etc., who put in the time never have a chance to be as tough as the old guys? I disagree. I have done things in my life a hell of a lot harder then training karate or getting on the mat. I am betting a ton of other people have done the same.

"We can all criticize each other for the lack of bending our kness, bending the thumb for showing a proper handsword ect,but here in this case I would rather be kind and remember a time in history where people like Elvis,Dave Hebler,Red West and David Stanley were proud enough to wear their Kenpo emblems and give a show to the public and allow us to see it 30 years later as a piece of Kenpo History and to be held in the archives."

I agree...sometimes the critics get out of hand. I do however think that a blind eye is turned depending on someone's lineage or who they affiliate with, or how much money they have put into something.

"I too have seen many old films,videos and other footage of many who have been caught on film but to later be dogged for their style of Martial Arts, hell look at Bruce Lee's first films or even some of the current stuff out there today....it's all open for critics to point fingers at."

I agree sir.

"Elvis may not have been your friend, your current Kenpo teacher or your favorite singer/actor, but name one other man who can mention his first name today...and not only does everyone know his name but he is known all over the world far greater than when he was alive. In the Year 2000 he was voted "Man of the Century" and no matter what we all want to think about his Kenpo....he was promoted by Ed Parker who was his teacher and he felt Elvis deserved it!"

I agree with the historical value...and I am honestly am not trying to fight about it, but I really feel that based on what I saw my opinion is that he did not deserve a 7th or an 8th. I love Elvis' music, I even like some of his movies, I am a 30 something so you can thank my Grandad for me being an Elvis fan.


"Ed Parker's Roots are spread out all over this Forum and many offsprings of that..are spreading the art to a new level but for just a moment take a breath and look at what people like Elvis did for us and the art in which we have to be grateful for. For me I was able to meet and now be close friends with Dave Hebler,David Stanley,Sonny West and Lamar Fike.
In my possession I have an original "TCB" necklace which was given to Dave Hebler by Elvis and now it was given to me by Dave Hebler.This gives me the feeling of being apart of what Elvis stood for in his art....that was "Spirit,Faith,and discipline"
as noted on his TCB Kenpo Patch.
Thank you for at least understanding how this is a piece of history regardless of the content shown....."

I am glad Elvis had keychains, necklaces, patches, action figures, sayings, and entourages. It does not make MY kenpo any better, and it obviously did not help his too much. I am a martial artist, if I want to collect something, I collect comic books.

Thanks for the civil discussion.
Brian Hunter
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April 23rd, 2008, 11:50 pm #8

I enjoyed his music then and still enjoy it today. I am proud to have Dave Hebler as a Kenpo Uncle and David Stanley as a dear friend.
The video was just a spot of history nothing more and it was just cool to see Dave Hebler in on it.
You can collect the key chains as I will hold my gift from Mr.Hebler as a special time in my life as a connection to his days working with Elvis.....
TCB...Sean Kelley
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April 24th, 2008, 3:09 am #9

I'm just thankful I didn't have to be the "bad guy" this time.

Thanks all of you for saying exactly what I was thinking when I saw it.

He would have ended up shooting himself in the face had he been humped over a guy like that with a gun before making sure he had a stable base and before securing the weapon.

It is a testament of how good it really is to be The King.

Back to the mats,

Angela
Not directed so much at the comment above as to the critical comments in general... I think this video was posted as "kinda cool" in the sense that it's like coming across an old photo album. I can't argue with any of the assessments of Elvis' display of Kenpo or anyone's right to voice them. To me, though, having met Mr. Hebler, Mr. Wallace, and Mr. Stanley in recent days, seeing them kickin' it with the King in that era was, well...kinda cool. I enjoyed watching it for that reason and in spite of the shortcomings of the Kenpo shown.

Whether one considers it a highlight or a smudge, the Elvis/Kenpo connection is, historically speaking, a pretty big deal. Check out the comments on Youtube. To this day, Elvis' punching and kicking on stage is still generating dialog such as:

"What martial art is that?"
"Ed Parker's American Kenpo."
"Who's Ed Parker?"
"That's the guy Elvis considered to be the baddest man on the planet."
"Cool. I'm gonna look into that."

From all of the firsthand accounts that I've overheard, Elvis was as dedicated and passionate a student of the art as any. That era represents a cherished time to those in that circle - some of whom are our friends and mentors today. The video is a little window into that time and can be enjoyed in that context without all of the technical critiques and rank issues that really don't matter at this point.

Respectfully,
Dan Puleo
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April 24th, 2008, 3:27 am #10

I think we can all appreciate the historical significance and the value of the video -- like the photo album you mentioned. Speaking for myself, however, I was surprised enough at the actual kenpo that I felt compelled to comment. I'm not usually one of the big smack-talkers (you know -- talky talk, talky talk, strut, strut, talky talk), but this vid was a bit of a shock, and I had to respond.

Peace,
Scott
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