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September 2nd, 2018, 1:51 pm #41

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September 2nd, 2018, 2:03 pm #42

This is a view from Baden’s Clump towards Sidbury Hill using Google Earth with its 3D feature.
You can see the army training centre at the bottom.
Note that Google Earth can’t render trees with height, it just wraps the overhead view onto a contoured surface, so the woodland on the hill isn’t shown correctly. D5E24FFE-588D-4388-A15A-AFE87FA56031.png
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September 2nd, 2018, 3:03 pm #43

Zooming in on the hill looks like this B119BDFE-B3D4-4B1C-95C3-1CC0504E177F.png
And if I add “standard height” trees to all of the wooded bits then compare it to the video, I think I have just convinced myself that I know exactly where the video was shot.
816437FB-6410-4587-9150-46D5153F74B9.jpeg So does anybody live near Salisbury Plain and can go and take a photograph?
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September 3rd, 2018, 9:16 am #44

I am going to Salisbury Plain tomorrow at lunch time to verify the location. I will be meeting up with Vron Ongley who some of you might know (big Kate fan).
I will let you know how we get on.
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September 3rd, 2018, 12:03 pm #45

Southerly Wind wrote:I will let you know how we get on.
I think that's going to be the only way that you'll be totally satisfied that you've found the exact location. I'll look forward to reading how you got on. 
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September 3rd, 2018, 1:51 pm #46

It looks a match to me, even down to the picture of the trees.
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September 4th, 2018, 10:19 pm #47

Hi guys.
We visited the location at Baden’s Clump on Salisbury Plain and as I hoped everything fell into place.
This is the view of Sidbury Hill from near Baden’s Clump.
FFBF7CD4-5A8A-416D-97AD-CF3E7903E024.jpeg ED6D1C16-2AA0-4E5B-85BC-A2CB2950FC8C.jpeg As you can see from the video frame grab, the hill in the background of the video is definitely Sidbury Hill near Tidworth.
But due to new tree planting in the last 40 years, the hill is no longer visible from Kate’s location.

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The hill in the background of the video is definitely Sil
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September 4th, 2018, 10:35 pm #48

Then we found the exact location where Kate is standing.
The line of Scots pines at Baden’s Clump runs NE-SW. The right-most tree in either picture below is the last tree at the southern end of the line.
The two trees on the far right of the video frame grab are still standing and you can see how they match today’s photo with Vron. Some of the trees to the left have died but the tree stumps are still visible in the undergrowth.
See how the new trees in the background obscure Sidbury Hill.
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September 4th, 2018, 10:48 pm #49

The last shot of the video is Kate waving to the camera as she recedes into the distance.
Some of the trees have now died, and a few have been cut down to make way for the army training centre mentioned before. And there is new tree planting beyond the northern end of the line of Scots pines.
Also there is new planting to the left of the picture of Vron, which meant that we couldn’t get as far from the Scots pines as we needed to replicate the video shot. 73E9F968-87AB-4E13-9CF4-ED9F87C9E42A.jpeg 737205A0-EB1A-468D-8D78-0F87B1FA7183.jpeg
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September 4th, 2018, 11:10 pm #50

To everybody who helped find the location, thanks very much. A great team effort. This video has been in my mind since I saw it as a 12 year old in 1978. I have spent many hours poring over OS maps of Salisbury Plain.

I have posted the location onto the Kate Bush Fan Club Facebook group. The exact lat/lon of where Kate is standing for most of the video is (51.2775278,-1.7398628)

On Facebook, I am Richard Evans. I know Pekka on Facebook, but I don’t know you other guys/gals. If you want to message me your Facebook names then I can credit everybody there.

I realised today that this is probably the first time in decades that anybody has known the red dress location. I doubt even Nick Abson, or Kate, or anybody else who was involved, would remember exactly where they went to shoot the video nearly 41 years ago...
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September 5th, 2018, 5:43 am #51

Wow, wonderful work, congratulations Richard & Vron! One of the oldest KB mysteries finally solved!

As Stonehenge is on Salisbury Plain, I say we should name this place of the video filming Bushhenge! 😀
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September 5th, 2018, 5:51 pm #52

Brilliant work Richard, well done. 
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September 6th, 2018, 2:51 pm #53

For those of you who need a clearer explanation I have identified some of the more obvious similarities between the video and the 2018 photographs:
1. A branch sticking out on the right hand side of a straight tree.
2. A vertical branch on crooked tree.
3. A horizontal branch.
4. A kink in the branch.
5. A fork in a thicker tree.
6. Two branches crossing.
7. A tree topped distant hill where the trees meet-
8. -a wood at the same point
Note the second tree from the left in the video has died and fallen.
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September 6th, 2018, 4:55 pm #54

wow !! wonderful work! thanks :D
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September 6th, 2018, 5:26 pm #55

Of course, I can see hordes of KB fans visiting the site now, breaking off branches as souvenirs....and / or flogging them on eBay. 😆
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September 6th, 2018, 9:34 pm #56

Well thanks for answering my original question! You really didn’t all need t o go to that much trouble! 
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September 6th, 2018, 9:47 pm #57

We like to provide a comprehensive answer (eventually) Squidney!
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September 11th, 2018, 9:14 am #58

Further correspondence with Nick Abson has confirmed that the video was definitely made in advance of the (original) release date and on a budget that was about 10% of the later studio version. This being down to EMI not wanting to spend any money on an unknown artist. Intriguingly Nick remembers there being another reason for the postponement of the original release date which had nothing to do with artwork problems or clashing with Wings 'Mull Of Kintyre' single which was scheduled for the following week. Unfortunately though Nick can't recall was that reason was anymore. One final thing, Nick wasn't best pleased about the 'red dress' video being up on YT.....as he still owns the copyright of the video. So its possible that might suddenly disappear.
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September 17th, 2018, 9:56 pm #59

Oh my!  That is impressive detective work.  Well done.  I had wondered where it had been filmed. 
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Yesterday, 3:31 pm #60

Well done for all these well documented researches!
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