which wins The Fall Cup?
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Dec 21 2015, 04:35 PM #226

PottShrigley @ Dec 21 2015, 06:09 AM wrote:
Divvey @ Dec 20 2015, 09:12 PM wrote: I wonder if he has a proxy vote here
Just got off the phone to Mark and he told me to vote for Blindness.
Just got off the phone to Mark and he told me to vote for Wise Ol' Man. Blindness is for LBBs....

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Dec 21 2015, 04:43 PM #227

delmore @ Dec 22 2015, 04:17 AM wrote: It's remarkable that a song is ranking ahead of all the others when there isn't an adequate studio recording of it. I blame the concert-goers for this showing.
There isn't an adequate studio recording of "Winter" either . . . . cutting it in half diminishes what (marginal) potency it could have carried had MES valued it enough to present it intact.

I don't actually mind the FHR version of "Blindness" . . . it doesn't pack the wallop that the Peel version does, but I do quite like the point early on in the mix where is sounds like MES does "on stage mixing" in the studio, and the bass line jumps into higher, fuzzier prominence in the song structure.

For the record, as awesome as the bass line is, I actually like the drum cadence in the song almost as much. The song's credited to MES and the drummer . . . and while we know Fall songwriting credits are dodgy at best, I can see how "Blindness" was built up from that rhythm first . . .
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Dec 21 2015, 04:44 PM #228

flickeringlexicon @ Dec 22 2015, 04:35 AM wrote: Just got off the phone to Mark and he told me to vote for Wise Ol' Man. Blindness is for LBBs....
Just got off the phone with Mark and he said studio "Wise Ol' Man" is for LBBs.

Only the live version to be played at next concert counts now.
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Dec 21 2015, 04:49 PM #229

academichamilton @ Dec 22 2015, 04:11 AM wrote:
misterrogers @ Dec 21 2015, 02:17 PM wrote:
Buy Kurious! @ Dec 21 2015, 11:02 PM wrote: It's an odd thing, though. Winning the cup, whatever does, will be shown to be the most popular in a very clear sense, but if you did a poll asking people if Blindness was their favourite song I doubt there would be many who vote yes.

The joy of this cup has been debating with people, reading others thoughts and feelings about particular songs and being able to both re-affirm what each of us feels about some songs and re-evaluate what we think of others.
That's been wonderful and I've listened to a more varied range of Fall songs in the last couple of months than I have for a long while.
I suspect the vast majority will be disappointed with the final result whatever song won in the end (and I don't just mean of these two).
For me, it's a great final and I don't really mind which of these two wins.

Anyway, it's been great. I just wanted to join others in thanking gohoho90 for all the effort and time he's taken and everything else he's done to make this possible (and enduring us moaners with good grace). :beer: :applaud:
Well said +1. :beer:
Yep, another +1 from me :)
Damn straight. Tunes that I'd never think to put on have become firm favourites since listening to them critically through headphones - stuff like Pine Leaves, Return etc., tunes that barely anyone seems to mention. It's been a real treat.

Cheers gohoho90!

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Dec 21 2015, 04:50 PM #230

DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 09:44 AM wrote:
flickeringlexicon @ Dec 22 2015, 04:35 AM wrote: Just got off the phone to Mark and he told me to vote for Wise Ol' Man. Blindness is for LBBs....
Just got off the phone with Mark and he said studio "Wise Ol' Man" is for LBBs.

Only the live version to be played at next concert counts now.
:thumbsup:

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Dec 21 2015, 04:59 PM #231

DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 04:43 PM wrote:
delmore @ Dec 22 2015, 04:17 AM wrote: It's remarkable that a song is ranking ahead of all the others when there isn't an adequate studio recording of it. I blame the concert-goers for this showing.
There isn't an adequate studio recording of "Winter" either . . . . cutting it in half diminishes what (marginal) potency it could have carried had MES valued it enough to present it intact.
You can't say that MES didn't value it at the time. Kay Carroll went on and on about it when I met them.
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Dec 21 2015, 05:04 PM #232

Mr. Marshall @ Dec 22 2015, 04:59 AM wrote:
DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 04:43 PM wrote:
delmore @ Dec 22 2015, 04:17 AM wrote: It's remarkable that a song is ranking ahead of all the others when there isn't an adequate studio recording of it. I blame the concert-goers for this showing.
There isn't an adequate studio recording of "Winter" either . . . . cutting it in half diminishes what (marginal) potency it could have carried had MES valued it enough to present it intact.
You can't say that MES didn't value it at the time. Kay Carroll went on and on about it when I met them.
I'd love to hear the story of how it came to be split in the original album release. There are so many other ways that the set list on "Hex" could have been parsed . . . always wondered why they chose this approach?
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Dec 21 2015, 05:10 PM #233

DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 10:04 AM wrote:
Mr. Marshall @ Dec 22 2015, 04:59 AM wrote:
DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 04:43 PM wrote: There isn't an adequate studio recording of "Winter" either . . . . cutting it in half diminishes what (marginal) potency it could have carried had MES valued it enough to present it intact.
You can't say that MES didn't value it at the time. Kay Carroll went on and on about it when I met them.
I'd love to hear the story of how it came to be split in the original album release. There are so many other ways that the set list on "Hex" could have been parsed . . . always wondered why they chose this approach?
Because they couldn't decide which side of the album they wanted 'Winter' to be on, so they chose both?

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Dec 21 2015, 05:12 PM #234

flickeringlexicon @ Dec 21 2015, 05:10 PM wrote:
DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 10:04 AM wrote:
Mr. Marshall @ Dec 22 2015, 04:59 AM wrote: You can't say that MES didn't value it at the time. Kay Carroll went on and on about it when I met them.
I'd love to hear the story of how it came to be split in the original album release. There are so many other ways that the set list on "Hex" could have been parsed . . . always wondered why they chose this approach?
Because they couldn't decide which side of the album they wanted 'Winter' to be on, so they chose both?
It might be annoying but it makes sense to me. And Winter 2 has that great dreamy intro...
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Dec 21 2015, 05:15 PM #235

Mr. Marshall @ Dec 22 2015, 05:12 AM wrote: It might be annoying but it makes sense to me. And Winter 2 has that great dreamy intro...
The thing for me is that I always think of it as two separate songs, not one. I know they performed it as one live, but I didn't get the luxury of ever hearing that until the Peel Session Box, so it always sounds weird to me when it plays all the way through (which is why I rarely make it to the end without hitting the "skip" button . . . )
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Dec 21 2015, 05:16 PM #236

Thanks for all your hard work in putting this together gohoho90. Good to see such a close final. :applaud:
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Dec 21 2015, 05:32 PM #237

DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 08:04 PM wrote:
Mr. Marshall @ Dec 22 2015, 04:59 AM wrote:
DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 04:43 PM wrote: There isn't an adequate studio recording of "Winter" either . . . . cutting it in half diminishes what (marginal) potency it could have carried had MES valued it enough to present it intact.
You can't say that MES didn't value it at the time. Kay Carroll went on and on about it when I met them.
I'd love to hear the story of how it came to be split in the original album release. There are so many other ways that the set list on "Hex" could have been parsed . . . always wondered why they chose this approach?
I've always thought Winter had to be split because of time constraints of vinyl (30 minutes per side is already taking it to the limit).

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Dec 21 2015, 05:37 PM #238

Wireless_Enthusiast @ Dec 22 2015, 05:32 AM wrote: I've always thought Winter had to be split because of time constraints of vinyl (30 minutes per side is already taking it to the limit).
Well, yeah, but then the question is why was it so crucial that "Winter" be in that particular spot in the sequence . . . so that splitting it in half was preferable to swapping a couple of shorter songs out and leaving it on one side or the other. It's not like it's a concept album where you don't get to follow the story if you change the order of the songs . . .
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Dec 21 2015, 05:43 PM #239

DeusErac @ Dec 21 2015, 05:37 PM wrote:
Wireless_Enthusiast @ Dec 22 2015, 05:32 AM wrote: I've always thought Winter had to be split because of time constraints of vinyl (30 minutes per side is already taking it to the limit).
Well, yeah, but then the question is why was it so crucial that "Winter" be in that particular spot in the sequence . . . so that splitting it in half was preferable to swapping a couple of shorter songs out and leaving it on one side or the other. It's not like it's a concept album where you don't get to follow the story if you change the order of the songs . . .
They probably thought very carefully about the sequencing and it fit there and nowhere else. Remember that it was the kitchen sink & everything else elpee.
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Dec 21 2015, 05:44 PM #240

DeusErac @ Dec 22 2015, 05:37 AM wrote:
Wireless_Enthusiast @ Dec 22 2015, 05:32 AM wrote: I've always thought Winter had to be split because of time constraints of vinyl (30 minutes per side is already taking it to the limit).
Well, yeah, but then the question is why was it so crucial that "Winter" be in that particular spot in the sequence . . . so that splitting it in half was preferable to swapping a couple of shorter songs out and leaving it on one side or the other. It's not like it's a concept album where you don't get to follow the story if you change the order of the songs . . .
As an example, they could have closed out side 1 with "Who Makes The Nazis?" and shifted all of "Winter" forward to side 2, and the time split between sides would have been almost exactly the same.

I guess we'll never know the answer . . . but the decision weighs heavily on my anti-"Winter" stance throughout this Cup . . .
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Dec 21 2015, 05:46 PM #241

Mr. Marshall @ Dec 22 2015, 05:43 AM wrote: They probably thought very carefully about the sequencing and it fit there and nowhere else. Remember that it was the kitchen sink & everything else elpee.
Yeah, I'd like to think that . . . though worry/wonder whether it was really that thoughtful, and/or whether MES decided it, or someone at label or in post-production just did it for/to them . . .
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Dec 21 2015, 07:28 PM #242

Watch out for the last minute sniper bids.
hello hello this is monkey wrench.......

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Dec 21 2015, 08:00 PM #243

Into the final hour.

It's 55-58...

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Dec 21 2015, 08:02 PM #244

Hanley Played a Fender P @ Dec 22 2015, 07:28 AM wrote: Watch out for the last minute sniper bids.
I thought we knocked out Safi in the first round???
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Dec 21 2015, 08:03 PM #245

gohoho90 @ Dec 22 2015, 08:00 AM wrote: Into the final hour.

It's 55-58...
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Dec 21 2015, 08:20 PM #246

We are in the cusp of a song winning the Fall cup which is not over 35 years old.

Will shake this place to the core.

Could be Zimmer frames going through windows.
hello hello this is monkey wrench.......

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Dec 21 2015, 08:31 PM #247

Should've been Tuff Life Boogie. Nothing LBB about that one. B)
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Dec 21 2015, 08:33 PM #248

Right, four new accounts should do it...

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Dec 21 2015, 08:40 PM #249

academichamilton @ Dec 22 2015, 08:33 AM wrote: Right, four new accounts should do it...
One of them just voted . . . 56-58 . . .

:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
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Dec 21 2015, 08:42 PM #250

Actually, cheers to the mods as the four new members who have attempted to join in the past week are all still in validation mode . . . would hate to see an army of approved new names as the Cup comes down to the wire!
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