The Smiths

The Smiths

Joined: 02 Jul 2011, 15:48

22 Apr 2013, 09:55 #1

Actually its not its about the 20th.

I see people post about bands in General Chat to me that is just plain WRONG

You Philistines. If you are going to talk about a band then surely its a review .

So I can't find any general threads about the second best band ever after the Fall.

So thought I would start one here.

I have been listenting to the box set these last 2 weeks and it gets better I never

tire of hearing them .

Moz on his own its just not the same its like having tea without mIlk

Its still tastes the same ,Yet its not as good.

Its almost a crying shame they didn't produce more work ..... OR maybe its a good

thing that everything they did, the music ,the covers the little clues and references

to influences etc. I feel The Smiths are like marmite.

One thing I have been thinking is I wonder if Johnny Marr and MOz were lovers

they certainly split up and fell out like lovers . And if you take the last song from

the last lp 'Strangeways" ' I Wont Share You " it could be read a goodbye

messsage ? Manchester so much to answer for .
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Hotel Amnesia
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22 Apr 2013, 10:30 #2

757 million people in the world are illiterate
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stevoid
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22 Apr 2013, 14:57 #3

I never got into the smiths though i liked their first couple of singles. Maybe now it's time i gave them a listen, what's their best album?
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rainmaster
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22 Apr 2013, 15:03 #4

stevoid @ Apr 22 2013, 03:57 PM wrote: I never got into the smiths though i liked their first couple of singles. Maybe now it's time i gave them a listen, what's their best album?
Hatful Of Hollow or Meat Is Murder, imo.
Grade A triple platinum cunt.
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22 Apr 2013, 15:44 #5

stevoid @ Apr 22 2013, 02:57 PM wrote: I never got into the smiths though i liked their first couple of singles. Maybe now it's time i gave them a listen, what's their best album?
They never made one. It's all about the singles and B-sides.
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22 Apr 2013, 15:46 #6

Yeah, we hardly ever talk about The Smiths on here. :wacko:
"Good afternoon, Sergeant Howie, I trust the sight of the young people refreshes you."
"No, sir, it does NOT refresh me."
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rainmaster
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22 Apr 2013, 15:48 #7

Audrey Wetherspoon @ Apr 22 2013, 04:46 PM wrote: Yeah, we hardly ever talk about The Smiths on here. :wacko:
Then this is a golden opportunity to put that right. :)
Grade A triple platinum cunt.
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22 Apr 2013, 17:51 #8

stevoid @ Apr 23 2013, 02:57 AM wrote: I never got into the smiths though i liked their first couple of singles. Maybe now it's time i gave them a listen, what's their best album?
Apart from "Rank" a live album released posthumously they have all been my

favourites they are that good. You get into one ,then it cools and you like the other.

If you liked the first few singles then "Hatful Of Hollow " is probably the place to start ,

Then go for "Queen Is Dead" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScOL_zGtYLM

The remastered cd or vinyl SOUNDS IMMENSE .
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Ducky
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22 Apr 2013, 18:14 #9

Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 05:51 PM wrote:
stevoid @ Apr 23 2013, 02:57 AM wrote: I never got into the smiths though i liked their first couple of singles. Maybe now it's time i gave them a listen, what's their best album?
Apart from "Rank" a live album released posthumously they have all been my

favourites they are that good. You get into one ,then it cools and you like the other.

If you liked the first few singles then "Hatful Of Hollow " is probably the place to start ,

Then go for "Queen Is Dead" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScOL_zGtYLM

The remastered cd or vinyl SOUNDS IMMENSE .
While a good LP, The Queen is Dead is massively overrated.

I also know people like the Peel sessions, as I do, but Louder Than Bombs is a better compilation than Hatful of Hollow. IMHO.
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22 Apr 2013, 18:31 #10

Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 09:55 PM wrote:

Moz on his own its just not the same its like having tea without mIlk

Its still tastes the same ,Yet its not as good.
Your critical faculties are highly suspect if you think tea without milk tastes the same as tea with milk.
I've got no time for intellectual music eg Hergest Ridge
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swintax
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22 Apr 2013, 18:56 #11

Cappuccino and a slice of quiche @ Apr 22 2013, 07:31 PM wrote:
Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 09:55 PM wrote:

Moz on his own its just not the same its like having tea without mIlk

Its still tastes the same ,Yet its not as good.
Your critical faculties are highly suspect if you think tea without milk tastes the same as tea with milk.
And that it isn't as good (you mug) : P
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22 Apr 2013, 19:38 #12

Ducky @ Apr 23 2013, 06:14 AM wrote:
Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 05:51 PM wrote:
stevoid @ Apr 23 2013, 02:57 AM wrote: I never got into the smiths though i liked their first couple of singles. Maybe now it's time i gave them a listen, what's their best album?
Apart from "Rank" a live album released posthumously they have all been my

favourites they are that good. You get into one ,then it cools and you like the other.

If you liked the first few singles then "Hatful Of Hollow " is probably the place to start ,

Then go for "Queen Is Dead" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScOL_zGtYLM

The remastered cd or vinyl SOUNDS IMMENSE .
While a good LP, The Queen is Dead is massively overrated.

I also know people like the Peel sessions, as I do, but Louder Than Bombs is a better compilation than Hatful of Hollow. IMHO.
It all about opinion "Louder " doesn't have 'This Charming Man" "What Difference "

"Handsome Devil " or "Still Ill" on ,4 of the best . Stevoid liked the early singles

"Hatful"would give him that.

Last year when you were talking about "Meat Is Murder' is the masterpiece over 'The

"Queen is Dead" I thought yeah . This year however after a break

" The Queen is Dead " is my masterpiece . Last year it was the debut,

they are all strong albums .Its a superb body of work .
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22 Apr 2013, 19:40 #13

Cappuccino and a slice of quiche @ Apr 23 2013, 06:31 AM wrote:
Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 09:55 PM wrote:

Moz on his own its just not the same its like having tea without mIlk

Its still tastes the same ,Yet its not as good.
Your critical faculties are highly suspect if you think tea without milk tastes the same as tea with milk.
You Know What I mean
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Ducky
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23 Apr 2013, 07:57 #14

Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 07:38 PM wrote:
Ducky @ Apr 23 2013, 06:14 AM wrote:
Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 05:51 PM wrote: Apart from "Rank" a live album released posthumously they have all been my

favourites they are that good. You get into one ,then it cools and you like the other.

If you liked the first few singles then "Hatful Of Hollow " is probably the place to start ,

Then go for "Queen Is Dead" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScOL_zGtYLM

The remastered cd or vinyl SOUNDS IMMENSE .
While a good LP, The Queen is Dead is massively overrated.

I also know people like the Peel sessions, as I do, but Louder Than Bombs is a better compilation than Hatful of Hollow. IMHO.
It all about opinion "Louder " doesn't have 'This Charming Man" "What Difference "

"Handsome Devil " or "Still Ill" on ,4 of the best . Stevoid liked the early singles

"Hatful"would give him that.

Last year when you were talking about "Meat Is Murder' is the masterpiece over 'The

"Queen is Dead" I thought yeah . This year however after a break

" The Queen is Dead " is my masterpiece . Last year it was the debut,

they are all strong albums .Its a superb body of work .
I much prefer the second half of their brief existence but either part beats most bands output.
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23 Apr 2013, 10:06 #15

swintax @ Apr 23 2013, 06:56 AM wrote:
Cappuccino and a slice of quiche @ Apr 22 2013, 07:31 PM wrote:
Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 22 2013, 09:55 PM wrote:

Moz on his own its just not the same its like having tea without mIlk

Its still tastes the same ,Yet its not as good.
Your critical faculties are highly suspect if you think tea without milk tastes the same as tea with milk.
And that it isn't as good (you mug) : P
I am Sorry Swinetax I have clearly Upset and offended you .

Tea without milk obviously means a lot you.

Please accept my apologies
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redclaw2
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23 Apr 2013, 16:14 #16

I've often wondered what Smiths fans make of Bill is Dead, seeing as MES is on record as saying it was a piss take of Morrissey and Co
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swintax
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23 Apr 2013, 16:37 #17

Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 23 2013, 11:06 AM wrote:
swintax @ Apr 23 2013, 06:56 AM wrote:
Cappuccino and a slice of quiche @ Apr 22 2013, 07:31 PM wrote: Your critical faculties are highly suspect if you think tea without milk tastes the same as tea with milk.
And that it isn't as good (you mug) : P
I am Sorry Swinetax I have clearly Upset and offended you .

Tea without milk obviously means a lot you.

Please accept my apologies
No need to apologise Fredd, tea is just better without cow juice.

A hot mug of black tea. Mmm. I'm sure your mate Morrissey would agree non?

Oh, before anyone leathers me for going off topic.. I like Rank the best, the draize train was the first Smiths track I enjoyed proper (along with oscillate wildly). Morrissey's singing and lyrics don't really grab me although he's a one off for sure and very clever clever no doubt. I just dislike his ever present narcissistic vibe.

In my experience people who've fallen in love with the smiths have really fallen in love with themselves : P :P
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23 Apr 2013, 19:22 #18

redclaw2 @ Apr 24 2013, 04:14 AM wrote: I've often wondered what Smiths fans make of Bill is Dead, seeing as MES is on record as saying it was a piss take of Morrissey and Co
On record you say ? Where ?

Like John Peel I really like "Bill Is Dead " regardless of the subject matter
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Ducky
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23 Apr 2013, 19:28 #19

Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 23 2013, 07:22 PM wrote:
redclaw2 @ Apr 24 2013, 04:14 AM wrote: I've often wondered what Smiths fans make of Bill is Dead, seeing as MES is on record as saying it was a piss take of Morrissey and Co
On record you say ? Where ?

Like John Peel I really like "Bill Is Dead " regardless of the subject matter
Me too.

It's a great song. I like it's tenderness, whether it's a piss take or not.
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24 Apr 2013, 19:34 #20

swintax @ Apr 24 2013, 04:37 AM wrote:
Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 23 2013, 11:06 AM wrote:
swintax @ Apr 23 2013, 06:56 AM wrote: And that it isn't as good (you mug) : P
I am Sorry Swinetax I have clearly Upset and offended you .

Tea without milk obviously means a lot you.

Please accept my apologies
No need to apologise Fredd, tea is just better without cow juice.

A hot mug of black tea. Mmm. I'm sure your mate Morrissey would agree non?

Oh, before anyone leathers me for going off topic.. I like Rank the best, the draize train was the first Smiths track I enjoyed proper (along with oscillate wildly). Morrissey's singing and lyrics don't really grab me although he's a one off for sure and very clever clever no doubt. I just dislike his ever present narcissistic vibe.

In my experience people who've fallen in love with the smiths have really fallen in love with themselves : P :P
Interesting theory! I think it would take a great deal of honesty for forum

members to agree with you on that one.

That said I do look in the mirror and think "Fuck your good looking" -_-
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redclaw2
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24 Apr 2013, 22:12 #21

Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ Apr 24 2013, 07:22 AM wrote:
redclaw2 @ Apr 24 2013, 04:14 AM wrote: I've often wondered what Smiths fans make of Bill is Dead, seeing as MES is on record as saying it was a piss take of Morrissey and Co
On record you say ? Where ?

Like John Peel I really like "Bill Is Dead " regardless of the subject matter
It was a recording of an interview that was doing the rounds a few years back, the actual details escape me. He did say that he later changed some of the more ridiculous lyrics out of consideration for Craig Scanlon as it was such a nice tune!
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11 May 2013, 12:23 #22

There is a BBc 2 documentary on Sunday night about The Smiths 11pm I think.

I have just bought "The Smiths", "Meat Is Murder" "Hatful Of Hollow" and Strangeways "
on Vinyl for £15.76 each I had them in the basket for about a month and checked

everyday when I saw these prices I snapped them up.

£14.50 plus £1.26 delivery.
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wearethedead
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12 May 2013, 02:51 #23

"Meat Is Murder"
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Totally Weird
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12 May 2013, 06:14 #24

Freddie And The Dreamers Come On @ May 11 2013, 12:23 PM wrote: There is a BBc 2 documentary on Sunday night about The Smiths 11pm I think.

I have just bought "The Smiths", "Meat Is Murder" "Hatful Of Hollow" and Strangeways "
on Vinyl for £15.76 each I had them in the basket for about a month and checked

everyday when I saw these prices I snapped them up.

£14.50 plus £1.26 delivery.
Glad I read this. I will record it. I still have not watched Rockpalast.

I think what you might have done is buy for £43.99 The Smiths Complete Remastered or maybe you particularly wanted vinyl :unsure:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Smiths-Comp ... B005DKLPQ0

Then you would have had all this...


Disc: 1
1. Reel Around the Fountain
2. You've Got Everything Now
3. Miserable Lie
4. Pretty Girls Make Graves
5. The Hand That Rocks the Cradle
6. This Charming Man
7. Still Ill
8. Hand in Glove
9. What Difference Does It Make?
10. I Don't Owe You Anything
11. Suffer Little Children
Disc: 2
1. The Headmaster Ritual
2. Rusholme Ruffians
3. I Want the One I Can't Have
4. What She Said
5. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
6. Nowhere Fast
7. Well I Wonder
8. Barbarism Begins at Home
9. Meat Is Murder
Disc: 3
1. The Queen Is Dead
2. Frankly, Mr. Shankly
3. I Know It's Over
4. Never Had No One Ever
5. Cemetry Gates
6. Bigmouth Strikes Again
7. The Boy with the Thorn in His Side
8. Vicar in a Tutu
9. There Is a Light That Never Goes Out
10. Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others
Disc: 4
1. A Rush and a Push and the Land Is Ours
2. I Started Something I Couldn't Finish
3. Death of a Disco Dancer
4. Girlfriend in a Coma
5. Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before
6. Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me
7. Unhappy Birthday
8. Paint a Vulgar Picture
9. Death at One's Elbow
10. I Won't Share You
Disc: 5
1. The Queen Is Dead
2. Panic
3. Vicar in a Tutu
4. Ask
5. His Latest Flame/Rusholme Ruffians (Medley)
6. The Boy With The Thorn in His Side
7. Rubber Ring/What She Said
8. Is It Really So Strange?
9. Cemetry Gates
10. London
11. I Know It's Over
12. The Draize Train
13. Still Ill
14. Bigmouth Strikes Again
Disc: 6
1. William, It Was Really Nothing
2. What Difference Does It Make?
3. These Things Take Time
4. This Charming Man
5. How Soon Is Now?
6. Handsome Devil
7. Hand in Glove
8. Still Ill
9. Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
10. This Night Has Opened My Eyes
11. You've Got Everything Now
12. Accept Yourself
13. Girl Afraid
14. Back to the Old House
15. Reel Around the Fountain
16. Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want
Disc: 7
1. Panic
2. Ask
3. London
4. Bigmouth Strikes Again
5. Shakespeare's Sister
6. There Is a Light That Never Goes Out
7. Shoplifters of the World Unite
8. The Boy with the Thorn in His Side
9. Money Changes Everything
10. Asleep
11. Unloveable
12. Half a Person
13. Stretch Out and Wait
14. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
15. Oscillate Wildly
16. You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby
17. Rubber Ring
Disc: 8
1. Is It Really So Strange?
2. Sheila Take a Bow
3. Shoplifters of the World Unite
4. Sweet and Tender Hooligan
5. Half a Person
6. London
7. Panic
8. Girl Afraid
9. Shakespeare's Sister
10. William, It Was Really Nothing
11. You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby
12. Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
13. Ask
14. Golden Lights
15. Oscillate Wildly
16. These Things Take Time
17. Rubber Ring
18. Back to the Old House
19. Hand in Glove
20. Stretch Out and Wait
21. Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want
22. This Night Has Opened My Eyes
23. Unloveable
24. Asleep


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12 May 2013, 08:03 #25

I have the box set on cd as well.

Having recently got into vinyl, for me if you can hear 7 sounds on a cd with the vinyl

you get 10 and especially the drums are more prominent.

So I have decided to buy The Smiths back catalogue on Vinyl PLUS it is along with

"Unknown Pleasures "( which I bought this weekend) The best vinyl covers ever

I met someone at a gig who bought vinyl just for the art he didn't have a record

player and I thought "Yeah I like your style" .
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