Tempo House v. Two Librans

which qualifies for The Round Of 16?
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Nov 21 2015, 09:28 AM #26

R. Totale @ Nov 19 2015, 10:35 AM wrote: Come on Librans! Early post-LBB tune to kill student band jam.
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Nov 21 2015, 09:56 AM #27

Circus Money @ Nov 19 2015, 12:06 PM wrote: Tempo House

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Nov 21 2015, 09:59 AM #28

Tempo House? TemPOO House, more like!!!!!
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Nov 21 2015, 08:09 PM #29

Buy Kurious! @ Nov 21 2015, 01:59 AM wrote: Tempo House? TemPOO House, more like!!!!!
Prindle-esque

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Nov 22 2015, 12:53 AM #30

Voters need to reflect. Two Librans.

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Nov 22 2015, 09:04 AM #31

Two Librans.

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Nov 22 2015, 09:16 AM #32

Despite the deceptive closeness, sadly i think the Sons of TempoHouse will triumph :(

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Nov 22 2015, 10:57 AM #33

Lick-Spittle Southerner @ Nov 22 2015, 10:16 AM wrote: Despite the deceptive closeness, sadly i think the Sons of TempoHouse will triumph :(
Come on Libranistas, we can do this. Just four votes!
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Nov 22 2015, 11:06 AM #34

PBL appears to be the fall fans' elpee of choice. I despair. :(
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Nov 22 2015, 01:10 PM #35

Mr. Marshall @ Nov 22 2015, 11:06 PM wrote: PBL appears to be the fall fans' elpee of choice. I despair. :(
Yeah, me too. Despite my YZN tendencies I am most fond of Slates, Grotesque, Hex and Room to Live of the pre-Brownies canon. I am not very fond of PBL, and listening to the surviving songs here, trying to generate personal enthusiasm for them, only strengthens my lack of interest and affection. As I noted in the general Cup thread, I am quite surprised that PBL leads the field in surviving tracks, and by looks of is going to continue to do so for at least another round, maybe two.
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Nov 22 2015, 01:20 PM #36

I don't know about that. Although I do like PBL, I wouldn't describe it as their best. The only reason that it has a good number of it's tracks still in is most likely just the luck of the draw.

However, I know there is a LBB tendency to just vote for something becasue it's off a certain album, regardless of how good the actual track is. I've mentioned it before on here more than once. <_<
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Nov 22 2015, 02:09 PM #37

The As&#045;Yet Unborn Son @ Nov 23 2015, 01:20 AM wrote: The only reason that it has a good number of it's tracks still in is most likely just the luck of the draw.
Given the knock-out format, there will always be some truth to this.

Still, the fact that 1983 was the only LP release year to have all of its tracks (12) make Round 2 is probably significant, too.

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Nov 22 2015, 02:40 PM #38

gohoho90 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:09 PM wrote:
The As&#045;Yet Unborn Son @ Nov 23 2015, 01:20 AM wrote: The only reason that it has a good number of it's tracks still in is most likely just the luck of the draw.
Given the knock-out format, there will always be some truth to this.

Still, the fact that 1983 was the only LP release year to have all of its tracks (12) make Round 2 is probably significant, too.
1983 was a fairly important year for the group. Those 2 singles and the arrival of Brix changed things for good. Some might say not for the better. Not me though...
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Nov 22 2015, 04:04 PM #39

Despite the fact that The Fall pick up younger fans all the time, the truth is that the vast majority are of a certain age and they came in when the group were getting most coverage in the music mags, on radio and TV.
This is when their popularity was at its highest and was more likely to pull in fans of a certain age at the time. Also, the fact that the work they were doing at the time was, for the above reasons, getting the most favourable notices in the main music publications, has all added to the myth that this period was their greatest work.
As time has gone by, the fans have gotten older, and all of that has become set-in-stone.

The notion that PBL is a better album than The Unutterable or Sub-Lingual Tablet, for example, is nonsense, but you're fighting an uphill battle in stating such a fact.
The age of the fans and the context in which their supposedly best albums were created and released means that cups like this will always favour that brief moment in time, from Slates to PBL.

It's a shame, but there we are....
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Nov 22 2015, 04:08 PM #40

Buy Kurious! @ Nov 23 2015, 04:04 AM wrote: The age of the fans and the context in which their supposedly best albums were created and released means that cups like this will always favour that brief moment in time, from Slates to PBL.
I'd be more okay with that reality if it was the span from "Slates" to "Room To Live."

"Perverted By Language" is, to me, a marginal transitional album . . . not quite Riley era, not quite Brix era . . . and rather than containing the best elements of both eras, it embodies the worst to these ears.
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Nov 22 2015, 04:37 PM #41

DeusErac @ Nov 23 2015, 04:08 AM wrote: I'd be more okay with that reality if it was the span from "Slates" to "Room To Live."
Actually, "Grotesque" to "Room To Live."

Carry on.
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Nov 22 2015, 04:58 PM #42

Buy Kurious! @ Nov 22 2015, 05:04 PM wrote: Despite the fact that The Fall pick up younger fans all the time, the truth is that the vast majority are of a certain age and they came in when the group were getting most coverage in the music mags, on radio and TV.
This is when their popularity was at its highest and was more likely to pull in fans of a certain age at the time. Also, the fact that the work they were doing at the time was, for the above reasons, getting the most favourable notices in the main music publications, has all added to the myth that this period was their greatest work.
As time has gone by, the fans have gotten older, and all of that has become set-in-stone.

The notion that PBL is a better album than The Unutterable or Sub-Lingual Tablet, for example, is nonsense, but you're fighting an uphill battle in stating such a fact.
The age of the fans and the context in which their supposedly best albums were created and released means that cups like this will always favour that brief moment in time, from Slates to PBL.

It's a shame, but there we are....
Don't disagree about The Unutterable - great album and much better than PBL for me. I'm not sure that the argument holds up more generally though. This particular tie does seem to highlight the problem however (I voted Two Librans, for the record). We are reluctant to talk about the vocalist in all this and the problem I have is that his contribution has become much more uneven. A subjective statement for sure but one felt by many I think. When it comes to more modern stuff I have been very disappointed that so many of the newer tracks I genuinely think are as good as anything went out so early:

Weather Report 2 (would be in my top 10 easily - structurally superb)
Rememberance R (why was this dismissed so easily? - brilliant growled vocals and 'nasty' guitar)
Touchy Pad (avant-pop Fall at its finest)
Loadstones (one of Smith's best recent vocals, main riff genuinely catchy)
Junger Cloth (builds perfectly to one of their best endings ever)
Hittite Man (intriguing, mysterious, powerful, great words)

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Nov 22 2015, 05:05 PM #43

Buy Kurious! @ Nov 23 2015, 04:04 AM wrote: Despite the fact that The Fall pick up younger fans all the time, the truth is that the vast majority are of a certain age and they came in when the group were getting most coverage in the music mags, on radio and TV.
This is when their popularity was at its highest and was more likely to pull in fans of a certain age at the time. Also, the fact that the work they were doing at the time was, for the above reasons, getting the most favourable notices in the main music publications, has all added to the myth that this period was their greatest work.
As time has gone by, the fans have gotten older, and all of that has become set-in-stone.

The notion that PBL is a better album than The Unutterable or Sub-Lingual Tablet, for example, is nonsense, but you're fighting an uphill battle in stating such a fact.
The age of the fans and the context in which their supposedly best albums were created and released means that cups like this will always favour that brief moment in time, from Slates to PBL.

It's a shame, but there we are....
It’s a bit pathetic all this complaining and sniping about not getting the songs you want going through. The whole look back bore accusation thing is a load of ageist crap perpertrated by recent fans bitter about the fact they were too young or stupid to appreciate The Fall before 1999. Sure I was upset to lose Wolf Kidult, Laptop Dog, Rode, Ludd Gang, Pilsner, and more both old and new, but it’s a democracy so get over it and get out more.

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Nov 22 2015, 05:09 PM #44

:unsure:

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Nov 22 2015, 05:14 PM #45

stevoid @ Nov 22 2015, 05:05 PM wrote:
Buy Kurious! @ Nov 23 2015, 04:04 AM wrote: Despite the fact that The Fall pick up younger fans all the time, the truth is that the vast majority are of a certain age and they came in when the group were getting most coverage in the music mags, on radio and TV.
This is when their popularity was at its highest and was more likely to pull in fans of a certain age at the time. Also, the fact that the work they were doing at the time was, for the above reasons, getting the most favourable notices in the main music publications, has all added to the myth that this period was their greatest work.
As time has gone by, the fans have gotten older, and all of that has become set-in-stone.

The notion that PBL is a better album than The Unutterable or Sub-Lingual Tablet, for example, is nonsense, but you're fighting an uphill battle in stating such a fact.
The age of the fans and the context in which their supposedly best albums were created and released means that cups like this will always favour that brief moment in time, from Slates to PBL.

It's a shame, but there we are....
It’s a bit pathetic all this complaining and sniping about not getting the songs you want going through. The whole look back bore accusation thing is a load of ageist crap perpertrated by recent fans bitter about the fact they were too young or stupid to appreciate The Fall before 1999. Sure I was upset to lose Wolf Kidult, Laptop Dog, Rode, Ludd Gang, Pilsner, and more both old and new, but it’s a democracy so get over it and get out more.
I'm not complaining, just stating facts.
Most Fall fans are of a certain age. The Fall's supposedly best material was made at a time when they had their greatest coverage in the media. Those two facts are obviously connected. As is the fact that the music they made during that brief period - though in no way superior to music they've made in the intervening years - is still held up as their best... by the fans who were young at that time and the media that took most notice of them at that time.

It's not a complaint, just a statement of fact.
We won't get a true appraisal of The Fall's entire achievement for many years, long after the influence of the above ceases to be` the main arbiter of what is and isn't the group's best work.
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Nov 22 2015, 05:36 PM #46

You can wait a thousand years but you'll not get a statement of fact as to whether LP a is better than lp b, which is what you are arguing despite the point you make about a popular epoch.

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Nov 22 2015, 05:43 PM #47

purple_prince @ Nov 22 2015, 05:36 PM wrote: You can wait a thousand years but you'll not get a statement of fact as to whether LP a is better than lp b, which is what you are arguing despite the point you make about a popular epoch.
Of course not, but you will get a more rational appraisal of the relative merits of each song/LP and therefore the present orthodoxy of Fall criticism will, like, you know, lose all currency, man. -_-

The fact is, Fall fans can't see the wood for the trees atm.
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RIP EC

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Nov 22 2015, 05:47 PM #48

LATWT will always be better than PBL, FHR, IWS, Ersatz Gb. -_-
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Nov 22 2015, 05:54 PM #49

Buy Kurious! @ Nov 22 2015, 06:43 PM wrote:
purple_prince @ Nov 22 2015, 05:36 PM wrote: You can wait a thousand years but you'll not get a statement of fact as to whether LP a is better than lp b, which is what you are arguing despite the point you make about a popular epoch.
Of course not, but you will get a more rational appraisal of the relative merits of each song/LP and therefore the present orthodoxy of Fall criticism will, like, you know, lose all currency, man. -_-

The fact is, Fall fans can't see the wood for the trees atm.
Sounds dangerously like a call for the objectivity time will bring to me :)

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Nov 22 2015, 06:12 PM #50

academichamilton @ Nov 22 2015, 05:54 PM wrote:
Buy Kurious! @ Nov 22 2015, 06:43 PM wrote:
purple_prince @ Nov 22 2015, 05:36 PM wrote: You can wait a thousand years but you'll not get a statement of fact as to whether LP a is better than lp b, which is what you are arguing despite the point you make about a popular epoch.
Of course not, but you will get a more rational appraisal of the relative merits of each song/LP and therefore the present orthodoxy of Fall criticism will, like, you know, lose all currency, man. -_-

The fact is, Fall fans can't see the wood for the trees atm.
Sounds dangerously like a call for the objectivity time will bring to me :)
Not objectivity, just a view unencumbered by age, nostalgia and the context placed on the music by the biased critical apparatus of the time in which it was produced and reviewed.
"We really made a groovy team but now alone I dream dream dream dream dream..."

RIP EC