MES Gofundme Campaign?

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MES Gofundme Campaign?

cactusofnorthamerica
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30 Nov 2017, 22:20 #1

So as I mentioned earlier this morning on one of the threads, I was thinking that it might be a good thing to set up a simple Gofundme page to try to raise some funds for Mark for his ongoing medical treatment and recovery process.

I went to the Gofundme site to investigate how it works, and, not to sound like a commerical, it is incredibly easy to get such a campaign set up and going.

My questions for all of you about this notion:

Should I launch this campaign?

What would be an appropriate/realistic goal--$20,000 (US dollars)?

Is it presumptuous of me to think he would be ok receiving such financial help at this time?

Does anyone have a direct contact email address for Pam, to discuss such things?

Does anyone know of any other crowd-funding efforts already in place for Mark?

Many thanks in advance for your feedback.

Just want to make sure I am not acting prematurely or inappropriately in this regard.

Cactus
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the raven
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30 Nov 2017, 22:27 #2

We already have a crowdfunding operation for health care in the UK, namely income tax.
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DeusErac
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30 Nov 2017, 22:29 #3

Respectfully appreciate the desire to help . . . but working in charitable sector, I would advise against launching such a campaign unless the recipient requested it.

I have seen things like this go bad wrong in the past, and well-intenioned gifts put to poor use, or not successfully transmitted to the intended recipients, because they were not onboard with the campaign.

Some people are offended at the suggestion that they need charity. I gently suspect that MES might be among them.

If he announces a need, though, I would be right there in the queue to support it.
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rainmaster
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30 Nov 2017, 22:37 #4

DeusErac @ Nov 30 2017, 10:29 PM wrote:

Some people are offended at the suggestion that they need charity. I gently suspect that MES might be among them.
Not me, I've had a terrible cold this last week or so and could do with some private health care. Please give generously. :)


Seriously though Cactusofnorthamerica, it's a nice idea, thoughtful even, but not what he'd want I think. Especially from us. :lol:
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dannyno
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30 Nov 2017, 22:48 #5

cactusofnorthamerica @ Nov 30 2017, 11:20 PM wrote: My questions for all of you about this notion:

Should I launch this campaign?

What would be an appropriate/realistic goal--$20,000 (US dollars)?

Is it presumptuous of me to think he would be ok receiving such financial help at this time?

Does anyone have a direct contact email address for Pam, to discuss such things?

Does anyone know of any other crowd-funding efforts already in place for Mark?

Many thanks in advance for your feedback.

Just want to make sure I am not acting prematurely or inappropriately in this regard.

Cactus
Should I launch this campaign?
No.
What would be an appropriate/realistic goal--$20,000 (US dollars)?
See above.
Is it presumptuous of me to think he would be ok receiving such financial help at this time?
I'm afraid it probably is. Nobody has asked for any money, and there's no other indication that money is needed or wanted or would help.
Does anyone have a direct contact email address for Pam, to discuss such things?
She's on instagram.

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Slackhurst Broadcasting
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30 Nov 2017, 23:33 #6

Pretty sure he wouldn't like the idea.
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johncoan
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30 Nov 2017, 23:42 #7

DeusErac @ Dec 1 2017, 10:29 AM wrote: Respectfully appreciate the desire to help . . . but working in charitable sector, I would advise against launching such a campaign unless the recipient requested it.

I have seen things like this go bad wrong in the past, and well-intenioned gifts put to poor use, or not successfully transmitted to the intended recipients, because they were not onboard with the campaign.

Some people are offended at the suggestion that they need charity. I gently suspect that MES might be among them.

If he announces a need, though, I would be right there in the queue to support it.
I agree with every word of this.
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High Tension Line
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30 Nov 2017, 23:56 #8

Fuck off.

We have the NHS, and if it's good enough for me it's good enough for him.

I know it's different in the US, but the NHS is one of the things that's just about still great about Britain no thanks to these Tory cunts.
Not everyone's cup of tea.
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WrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWray
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01 Dec 2017, 00:08 #9

I remember someone suggesting that a certain number of Fall fans (a thousand?) spinning 'Outro' repeatedly on Spotify for a weekend could bag the group some dosh. That seems a more suitably subversive option.

Not that I'm saying it's a realistic option, like.
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academichamilton
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01 Dec 2017, 00:14 #10

cactusofnorthamerica @ Nov 30 2017, 11:20 PM wrote: So as I mentioned earlier this morning on one of the threads, I was thinking that it might be a good thing to set up a simple Gofundme page to try to raise some funds for Mark for his ongoing medical treatment and recovery process.
As has been said but worth re-iterating, in the UK we have the National Health Service which is free at the point of use - we fund it via taxes. With very minor exceptions, whatever health care you need, you can get. So Mark will get the treatment he needs for free. We do have private health care here too but there is still little suggestion that the actual treatment you would get for paying is any better. You might get a better room and perhaps more personal attention but that's all.
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WrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWray
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01 Dec 2017, 00:21 #11

academichamilton @ Dec 1 2017, 12:14 PM wrote:
cactusofnorthamerica @ Nov 30 2017, 11:20 PM wrote: So as I mentioned earlier this morning on one of the threads, I was thinking that it might be a good thing to set up a simple Gofundme page to try to raise some funds for Mark for his ongoing medical treatment and recovery process.
As has been said but worth re-iterating, in the UK we have the National Health Service which is free at the point of use - we fund it via taxes. With very minor exceptions, whatever health care you need, you can get. So Mark will get the treatment he needs for free. We do have private health care here too but there is still little suggestion that the actual treatment you would get for paying is any better. You might get a better room and perhaps more personal attention but that's all.
I for one have an anecdote of someone shilling out for private healthcare only for it to bugger up and have to come back to the NHS to fix it, minus a fat wedge of cash.
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Rumble
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01 Dec 2017, 01:22 #12

I've suspected for many years that MES does better financially than he likes people to think.
If anyone could use gofundme it's probably his musicians - who have been deprived of most of their gig revenue over the past 6 months or so.

I'd even suggest that Smith may have been struggling out of his sickbed lately to provide some income for them more than for himself.
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Divvey
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01 Dec 2017, 07:24 #13

Whilst the nhs provides quality healthcare at no cost to patients, things like wheelchairs and home modifications may not be top of the range.
I'm not suggesting that's what's needed, but the suggestion isn't as unmerited as it seems
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Basmikel
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01 Dec 2017, 08:09 #14

Rumble @ Dec 1 2017, 01:22 PM wrote: If anyone could use gofundme it's probably his musicians - who have been deprived of most of their gig revenue over the past 6 months or so.

I'd even suggest that Smith may have been struggling out of his sickbed lately to provide some income for them more than for himself.
I also think the rest of the group are shorter of cash than Mark, but I'm sure they can find other ways to get by temporarily. Pie shop, perhaps? I've certainly had to shit-work when tours have been cancelled on me in the past.

Support them by going to more gigs when Mark's fit and working again, I'd suggest. Win-win.

Or kidnap Bono.
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Starsky-Tandoori
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01 Dec 2017, 08:34 #15

Absolutely 100% no, for some of the reasons above, among others. Allow the man some dignity.
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Pott
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01 Dec 2017, 08:38 #16

Quite, we're Fans, not his bloody carer.
Be careful, it's prickly.
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mcclarky
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01 Dec 2017, 08:48 #17

If you want to give financial help go and buy some records or other stuff where money goes back to the group. Sure that woul£ be more appreciated.
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Divvey
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01 Dec 2017, 09:25 #18

I agree
He's had enough of my money already
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R. Totale
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01 Dec 2017, 09:26 #19

mcclarky @ Dec 1 2017, 09:48 AM wrote: If you want to give financial help go and buy some records or other stuff where money goes back to the group. Sure that woul£ be more appreciated.
This. We pay his wages. And happy to carry on doing so while he's making tracks like Couples Vs Jobless Mid 30s.

Plus the NHS of course. Just to spell it out for the US contingent - if you get ill in the UK, you show up to hospital and (after a four to six hour wait) someone will try and make you better. No cash changing hands, no checking on credit scores. Just "what's wrong with you let's try and fix it".

Universal health for all.

It's called Socialism.
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thehippriestess
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01 Dec 2017, 10:20 #20

I think some of these responses to be a little harsh given that the original post is fundamentally well intentioned.

If MES needs money fast, a Bandcamp with some recent live tapes would likely be his best bet.
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artemis foul
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01 Dec 2017, 10:23 #21

Tak :lol:
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gappy tooth
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01 Dec 2017, 10:43 #22

WrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWray @ Dec 1 2017, 12:08 PM wrote: I remember someone suggesting that a certain number of Fall fans (a thousand?) spinning 'Outro' repeatedly on Spotify for a weekend could bag the group some dosh.
About 8p, I think.
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Divvey
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01 Dec 2017, 11:14 #23

thehippriestess @ Dec 1 2017, 08:20 PM wrote: I think some of these responses to be a little harsh given that the original post is fundamentally well intentioned.

If MES needs money fast, a Bandcamp with some recent live tapes would likely be his best bet.
Great idea
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asiffromheaven
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01 Dec 2017, 11:38 #24

recent experience. a friend of mine had one set up for her without her knowledge in the last months of her life. when she found out she fucking hated the idea and asked for it to be shut down.

setting up one of those things without expressed consent of the receipient or at the least someone extremely close to them is well intentioned but completely misguided.

in the case of an official one. i would support it.
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WrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWrayWray
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01 Dec 2017, 12:11 #25

Divvey @ Dec 1 2017, 11:14 PM wrote:
thehippriestess @ Dec 1 2017, 08:20 PM wrote: I think some of these responses to be a little harsh given that the original post is fundamentally well intentioned.

If MES needs money fast, a Bandcamp with some recent live tapes would likely be his best bet.
Great idea
Or everyone concerned makes sure to buy the 7-CD singles boxset.
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